Forwards have certainly not impressed yet.

That's the worst defence from a Saints side I've seen in a long time. I'm disserpointed, thought you were there for the taking and considering we ended up playing with our 4th and 5th choice half backs, we cut you open quite easily. God knows how much we'd of beaten you by if we had a fully fit squad. I'd be worried, if I were a saints fan. Play like that for the majority of the season, then expect to win nothing.

We kept Roby pretty quiet.
Wilkin, Flannery and Soliola were disappointing too, and as for Perry, he was rubbish.
I thought Saints looked very dangerous with the ball, but your defending was lacking today, as was ours at times.

Sky have messed up today though, they could have had our end to end cracker on, instead were stuck watching Dull and Broncos struggling.

Sounded like a distinctly unimpressive performance. However, despite being in need of a shake up, we've picked up five points from an available 6. Not a bad return at all, especially since one of those games has been at a ground where we always get beaten, and also since we traditionally start slowly.

I just hope Gaskell is in the side for this tough run-in we have coming up.

As a HKR Fan I thought our forwards were always on top until the last 5 minutes. The worrying thing from a saints perspective is that it seemed everytime we went down your end of the field, we scored.

One of the most entertaining games i've seen at Craven Park for a long time. That game should have been on Sky not Hull V London played at the library.

I'd agree with you, it's a weak pack and Royce hasn't got the balance right in the pack. I got bagged on here for calling our pack weak long before the season started.

Ill say what I said before the season started and I'll stick by what I said....

LMS isnt good enough to be a first choice prop, decent squad/bench player but IMO not good enough for a team looking to win things.

Perry- injuries have caught up with him, he's sluggish, slow and drops of tackles due to lack of fitness. Shame as he was good player before he signed.

TP is a good powerful prop but misses jammer who carried him for work rate.

Clough is a average prop and only good enough as back up.

Laffranchci - feel sorry for him, he's been put in a impossible postion of replacing jammer and hes not a prop. Solid enough but thats all.

Flannery = crap

SiA- been our best forward this year and playing his best rugby in saints shirt.

Wilkin - I thought he was top class last year and back to his old self but struggling now in a beaten pack.

Take that as read with Simmons in charge

I've not been today so can't comment on the performance but we look like a side still settling into the season, judging on what I saw in the previous two games. I'm not overly concerned as there is a long way to go and I think once the season settles and the players get some games under their belts we'll see improvement.

Highest ever score draw in Super League!!!

I predicted us to score no more than 10pts against a what appeared to be first choice 17 from Saints. Would have taken a point at the start of the game but come the end of the game I walked away from the ground disappointed!

Defence on both sides needs to improve and with us playing Warrington next week it could be a big score!

I'm starting to agree mate. We look awful. We look like a team with no coach. No moves, no game plan, no structure in defence.

And with his strange recruitment of signing players and playing them in positions they don't play is even worrying.

Would also advise Simmons to not send players out to try and get on the wrong side of some of the opposition. Wilkin was clearly sent out with instructions to get under the skin of Mickey Paea. It didn't work and took away from what a very good player Wilkin can be.

Your 2 wingers brought the ball back really well from kicks at least

It will be interesting to hear from those who went how Wellens selection might have impacted on our defence.Makinson very unlucky to have been dropped to make way for him.

Some vast over-reactions as usual from some of our fans at this early part of the season, I've learnt to expect that though. I'd rather hear from those that have been to the game today for a real judgement on our performance in today's game too.

I'll take the 5 points from a possible 6 though at this stage, even if we're earning them the hard way, I'll be more concerned if we're under-performing at the end of the season when it matters, you win nothing by peaking in the first month.

I understand what your saying but its the fact we look awful at the moment. We've basically been rubbish against Widnes, London, Salford and hull kr. It makes me wonder if we've actually done any work on defence in pre season and if we've worked on set plays, moves or game plans.

Warrington and Wigan would have put at least 30 points on that hull kr side today and both would have put cricket scores on the other two teams we've played.

We ain't asking for us to peak at this stage but for gods sake at least show we are a suppose to be a top team.