I said it ages ago but when you have an old boys club running and coaching the club; it usually ends in tears. I hope I'm wrong as the team has again performed this season better than they have on paper yet again !

Definitely. We're not rubbish and we'll still have good moments, but we're going to fall short again. We're not as good as Leeds this season. They've improved again for next season with Garbutt and Galloway brought in to ease Peacock's exit. We'll be slightly weaker next year without Mose and with a farcical situation at fullback unless Quinlan signs. Wire will be much better (And will probably beat Leeds in the Cup final this year) and Wigan will have Tomkins back. He's the man their entire attacking system is built around and they've finished 3rd without him being here. They will be stronger than us as well if they sign a prop.

Snap up Eastmond or a similar quality of player with the marquee exemption. We've got to at least strive to improve, even if it is a risk.

Tonight we was kicking to a back three of briscoe, Hardaker and Hall. All three and punish you even if the kick is good. Leeds was kicking to Quinlan, Dawson and swift. The is a massive Massive difference in class.

You then look at their centres and hslves. Watkins is just a freak and caused walsh and Turner problems all night. Watch it back, we back off him everytime he gets the ball. In the other side they have Moon who again is great in attack and great for any winger. They has sinfield and McGuire in the hslves. Sinfield is probably the best game managemt player in super league.

They are far superior to us in the backs and on par in the forwards. It's the strike players that make the difference in these games and we don't have one single strike player that the club.

Can't agree with you on this.

Our centres in Percy and Turner can also score nearly every time from 10-15 yards. The difference was the offloading. We didn't make our tackles stick and they did, so as a result they offloaded down the line to their strikers who must have got double the ball that our centres did.

I highly rate percy but he's no Watkins or Joel moon yet. I know percy is getting frustrated with lack of quality ball.

Turner is good with the ball but up there with the worst defence in super league but again, Hes no Watkins or moon and will never will be for that matter.

We should have got Moon from Salford when they would have accepted £1.50 before cashcow took over.

Leeds have also signed Ryan Brierley for next season (They just love speed and good footwork in there backline, thats there motto and it works) We should really follow suit

Isn't that only if Leigh don't get into Super League? Not much chance of that happening.

No. He wants the move regardless

He's not been selected again this week. When was the last time this guy actully played a game in the NRL ?

He's 26 and only played 38 games in 5 seasons.

How did we even scout him ?

I see the local experts are out in force. Percy isn't as good as Watkins, Sinfield better than all of our halves etc etc.

Well, pray tell, how did Watkins end up so good ? Because they stuck with a hugely talented kid and now he's a top player. You know, kind of what Saints are doing now in umpteen positions. Hall was another talented kid and look at him. Hardaker they took a chance on a lad from Featherstone, who has turned into a cracker. Moon a signing from Salford, where funnily enough we've just signed Tasi from, a man whom hasn't even got here yet and the resident experts have already christened 'our Tautai'.

Sinfield, Burrow, McGuire etc etc, are all products of Leeds. That doesn't happen too often. Had Leeds had to go out and sign such on field generals, they'd be nowhere near the same quality because they're unattainable. This kind of tripe that Saints need to go out and sign all of these players to compete is a fine narrative but where are they ? Rather than bemoaning the players we have give us alternatives.

Luke Walsh was voted 7th in the Dally M the year we signed him. Travis Burns one of the top 6s in the comp and had a choice of us or Wigan. Walmsley is arguably the best prop in the country, Roby probably the best player in the country, Vea and Greenwood looked superb strike threats before both being decimated with injury, Turner is our top try scorer etc etc.

Leeds have a nucleus of experienced, big game players that know exactly what they're doing. That's why we lost Friday. They're better than we are, it's that simple. Does that mean it's the end of the world ? No, it doesn't.

Some of our supporters don't deserve the club they support. Any mug holding Warrington up as some form of shining example needs their head testing. Leeds are a shining example but let's see how they look next year without Sinfield and Peacock.

Scored two tries in their Reserve game.

When did he last play first grade? Anyone know what his preferred position is ?

How are we scouting the likes of Quinlan and Peyroux if they never play first Grade ?

Is this a trick question? We're scouting reserve grade? Maybe we decided after the flops like Laffranchi, Perry and Hohaia, that we'd need to go a bit deeper than "oo look how many NRL games they've played, I'm sure that must make them good"

As a more general point, saints seem to have greatly strengthened their scouting network, given the recent (attempted) signings for the academy like Nzongou (no idea how to spell it) - that can surely only be a good thing?

Oh, and Quinlan was recommended to KC from DA

Having seen a bit of Peyroux I'd say he's quite useful.

Better than Josh Jones.