I agree, he's failed to impress whenever I've seen him.

I don't know what you mean?

Ashe is a young player...he's 21 and has only played a handful of first team games.

I didn't say he was good enough. If you look back to my comments after the London game I said he wasn't good enough after that showing.

Sorry if I've misunderstood your point...?

Don,t know how you can make this judgement based on one game and hyping it up on good youth development.

Over these last 2 seasons within success of entering superleague Widnes have been tonked at every age level including the first team losing consistenly by 50, 60 and 70 points. Massive beatings by Leeds, Warrington, Wigan and Saints again at every level.

I think you are getting carried away and getting a distorted point of view. Widnes same game last year was rubbish and got tonked by 62 points, Saints this year was rubbish and got tonked by 7 points, Similarly Widnes were rubbish against Wigan and got toked by 60 points, Wigan was rubbish and got tonked by Widnes by 2 points, similar scenarios with Warrington, Huddersfield and Leeds.

Widnes fully deserved there win on Friday night and no saints fan would say otherwise, we had a similar reaction from the wire fans when they got there first win after all those years, so we assume your reaction to the win is a similar distorted one.

did anyone have a look in the bookies at the odds for this game against widnes. Widnes were 13/2 to beat us off scratch bet some money was made there. They also got 20points start for odds 11/10.

When is James Roby back? He seems to have been injured for ages & normally he hardly ever misses.

He will be a while yet, don't worry, he ain't back for magic weekend

We will take another hammering in Manchester.

I must admit this was on my mind.

But its really not like James to miss many games in a season.

Last I heard he is due back mid June.

He had to have an operation on his ankle.

Seen hi last week but couldn't get a word in due to my Girl talking about kids with him, babies this and babies this

I heard his "boot" comes off this week. FWIW.

I suspect that you will regret calling Widnes "crap" before too long!!! They are a much better side than you give them credit for.

Don't forget that they had 6 players missing and still STUFFED YOU.

The fact that your team plays crap doesn't mean that you have to write it - which you have been on this thread..

Roby's boot is off now, saw him yesterday seemed to be walking ok, should be back in about 4 weeks possibly Bradford on the 9th June our next home game.

That's good as that's out next realistic chance of winning a game. Roll on the 9th of june

You never know as a lower league team we could be due an upset!