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| If it were me I would give Dawson an extended stay in the centres he is a lot more solid and durable than having to keep changing Turner, Jones and Percival.
Jones never makes a lot of metres and looks a better player when he is the pack.
With the exception of the first couple of games Walmsley has never looked fit this season always seems to go into a game with knock or something.
What I can,t understand is the recovery times of our injured players they seem to take an age to get back compared to other clubs. We don't have any structured play to slot players in like Wigan and Leeds so we are back to square pegs in round holes again.
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| Looks quite even to me apart form the tries scored, other than that mot as much as i would have expected.
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| Dawson by far and away our best player. He may cut inside a lot but as people have said, at least he's making breaks and not throwing suicide passes like Turner.
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| I think we have to careful about using stats.
For example, stats don't show Matty Dawson embarrassing himself in defence for their first try.
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| Quote: Albion "I think we have to careful about using stats.
For example, stats don't show Matty Dawson embarrassing himself in defence for their first try.'"
and at least another try too
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| But they also don't show that one week he is playing and not playing, then playing centre and then wing etc.
I think he's a decent player and at the moment would have him at centre over Turner, whilst Turner gets his head or what ever the issue is right.
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| Quote: bewareshadows "But they also don't show that one week he is playing and not playing, then playing centre and then wing etc.
I think he's a decent player and at the moment would have him at centre over Turner, whilst Turner gets his head or what ever the issue is right.'"
I was worried about turner when he came out in week 2 and said we won't take the foot off the gas! Why would they of in week 2? I definitely feel there's been an element of believing his own press for turner...
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| Quote: Albion "I think we have to careful about using stats.
For example, stats don't show Matty Dawson embarrassing himself in defence for their first try.'"
Exactly what I've been saying when people quote Mose stats to me.
Stats don't show who's doing the hard yards etc. They can be very very misleading and I believe certain players play the system.
Coming in 3rd man when the tackle is complete isn't a tackle!
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| My favourite excuse for a player that always has decent stats is Wilkin. I've been saying since 2008 that he's not good enough and it was the likes of graham, KC, Roby, longy, scully, jammer etc that made him look good. Seems a few have finally realised he's just your avg run of the mill player that's had one good season since 2006.
I was always told he runs good lines lol
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| Quote: St pete "My favourite excuse for a player that always has decent stats is Wilkin. I've been saying since 2008 that he's not good enough and it was the likes of graham, KC, Roby, longy, scully, jammer etc that made him look good. Seems a few have finally realised he's just your avg run of the mill player that's had one good season since 2006.
I was always told he runs good lines lol'" i have no massive beef with Wilkin as a lad, I approximate he puts a lot in, but when you're chasing titles, an underweight back row is not something of use.
People can quote his high tackle rate as a reason to play him all they want, but believe me, if Wilkin wasn't there to make that high tally, someone else would be, weather it be Jones, Flash, Wello or Walker - it's the easiest role in the team to fill.
The ball Playing 13 is not a thing of the past, but it only works if you have some one exceptional like S OL doing, which is why it's so common to see people playing a prop at 13.
Wilkin up with some good touches in a highlights reel, but his bread and butter go forward is well below par. You can state that his quasi playmaking role may affect his stats, but go and compare his stats to Westerman's (who's playing in a team that's really struggling) and they pale in comparison.
He's also one if the lads that's too bloody nice. Saddened will remind you of us getting knocked out of the playoffs by Wire - Westwood had been knocking 7 bells outer us, but when Wilkin caught him with a night shot, he practically chased after him to apologise. Now, that's fine if you're Apollo Perelini and you've spent the rest of the game hurting them legally, but that does not apply to JW.
For me, his standing in the squad is a problem if we want to make progress.
We should have flogged him to Salford when they started flashing the Kash.
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| Quote: Offside Monkey "i have no massive beef with Wilkin as a lad, I approximate he puts a lot in, but when you're chasing titles, an underweight back row is not something of use.
People can quote his high tackle rate as a reason to play him all they want, but believe me, if Wilkin wasn't there to make that high tally, someone else would be, weather it be Jones, Flash, Wello or Walker - it's the easiest role in the team to fill.
The ball Playing 13 is not a thing of the past, but it only works if you have some one exceptional like S OL doing, which is why it's so common to see people playing a prop at 13.
Wilkin up with some good touches in a highlights reel, but his bread and butter go forward is well below par. You can state that his quasi playmaking role may affect his stats, but go and compare his stats to Westerman's (who's playing in a team that's really struggling) and they pale in comparison.
He's also one if the lads that's too bloody nice. Saddened will remind you of us getting knocked out of the playoffs by Wire - Westwood had been knocking 7 bells outer us, but when Wilkin caught him with a night shot, he practically chased after him to apologise. Now, that's fine if you're Apollo Perelini and you've spent the rest of the game hurting them legally, but that does not apply to JW.
For me, his standing in the squad is a problem if we want to make progress.
We should have flogged him to Salford when they started flashing the Kash.'"
Great post. JW was a jack of all trades in 2006, unfortunately he never pushed on to master any of them. He doesn't have the leadership of wello, the handling skills of a fully fledged ball handling lock, the leg drive of a true second row, and the worst kicking game of anyone at the club (every kick vs hudds went to hand not to ground - that was fine last year, but given we have Walsh showing us how it's done, it gets all the more disappointing) - of course his work rate is pointed at, but I'd definitely put him in the clone category, and wello, Flanaghan and even some of the youngsters (Thompson springs to mind) could fulfil that role, without feeling the need to takeover the halfbacks. I also find it troubling how whenever we hear rumours of discontent in the camp his name is usually involved.
I like JW and have always wanted him to push on and fulfil his potential of 10 years ago, but he never truly has - I'd swap him for westerman in a minute atm. Realistically, I'd rather wello took the 13 shirt, with sia, greenwood and Flanaghan/ Thompson (Manu when he's back) in the second row. Our halves seem settled now as well.
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| Wikin is a pivotal player and his role is not to do hard yards, when we don't have the ball he does a lot of hard work in defense.
Yes, he will have the odd quiet game, most of the time he handles the ball quite a lot so there is a risk also in the error count.
His job is to work alongside the halves, he has good footwork for a forward as a battering ram its just not his game.
Flanagan and Thompson are nowhere near Wilkins skill set, those two cant play scrum half and stand off in a crisis. The problem with Wilkin is just consistency which is a problem you get when playing in a utility role and other players are not doing there job.
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| Quote: Judder Man "Wikin is a pivotal player and his role is not to do hard yards, when we don't have the ball he does a lot of hard work in defense.
Yes, he will have the odd quiet game, most of the time he handles the ball quite a lot so there is a risk also in the error count.
His job is to work alongside the halves, he has good footwork for a forward as a battering ram its just not his game.
Flanagan and Thompson are nowhere near Wilkins skill set, those two cant play scrum half and stand off in a crisis. The problem with Wilkin is just consistency which is a problem you get when playing in a utility role and other players are not doing there job.'"
Utility roles don't exist any more. If he'd of developed into a ball handling lock like scully, fine, if he'd of developed into a foot work orientated, line breaking second rower like Gilmour, fine, if he'd of developed into a workhorse second row capable of doing the hard yards like Bennett, fine (though a waste) - but what is Wilkins role on the rugby league field? Is he a lock? Is he a second row? Whilst Flanaghan and Thompson may be more limited in what they can do, they know their roles and stick to them, and make positive contributions to the team, consistently (and I'm no fan on Flanaghan).
I really like the idea of having wellens at lock, playing the traditional full back role of pushing through the middle supporting on the shoulders of the ball carrier 2/3 times a set, taking the ball up in a pinch and tackling anything that moves whilst lomax plays the "new" full back role as third pivot. But to do that, our back rowers need to do a more traditional job, which Wilkin doesn't fit.
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| Quote: Judder Man "Wikin is a pivotal player and his role is not to do hard yards, when we don't have the ball he does a lot of hard work in defense.
Yes, he will have the odd quiet game, most of the time he handles the ball quite a lot so there is a risk also in the error count.
His job is to work alongside the halves, he has good footwork for a forward as a battering ram its just not his game.
Flanagan and Thompson are nowhere near Wilkins skill set, those two cant play scrum half and stand off in a crisis. The problem with Wilkin is just consistency which is a problem you get when playing in a utility role and other players are not doing there job.'"
Not big enough to play Backrow and not fast enough or clever enough to play 6. I'd have no problem in letting him go. Flash Is just as good as him in defence
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| Quote: St pete "Not big enough to play Backrow and not fast enough or clever enough to play 6. I'd have no problem in letting him go. Flash Is just as good as him in defence'"
Flash is better I defence as he hits harder and is harder to dominate.
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