I'm bored at the games. I find myself watching idiots in the crowd or messing on my phone as im so bored.

Hudds will put a score on us next week.

Same here but it's nothing to do with the ground it's got everything to do with th ecoach and personel at the club. Just look at the impact Daryl Powell's had at Cas. He made Sneyd look like a international half last year and is doing the same with Gale this year. Attractive Rugby League played the right way and great recruitment.

The one thing that annoyed me the most was when Hull just scored were 8 points up with 9 mins to go, the Saints players just strolled up very slowly to the centre spot, they might as well just waved a white flag, no urgency, passion or will to get back in the game.

LMS having a right go at Percival who in turn had a go at Fleming in the first five minutes wasn't good to see.

Quote: St pete "I'm bored at the games. I find myself watching idiots in the crowd or messing on my phone as im so bored. Hudds will put a score on us next week.'" I and plenty others agree going by the atmosphere tonight. We are an incredibly boring team to watch, this forum seriously needs renaming. www.threedrivesandakick.net

Quote: St pete "I'm bored at the games. I find myself watching idiots in the crowd or messing on my phone as im so bored. Hudds will put a score on us next week.'" I and plenty others agree going by the atmosphere tonight. We are an incredibly boring team to watch, this forum seriously needs renaming. www.threedrivesandakick.net

I preferred us when we had no half backs.

This is what happens when teams sign below-average, reserve-grade standard Australians and expect them to be good just because they're Australian.

I agree with a lot of that mate.

It hasn't got anything to do with moving grounds though. I believe the entertainers tag was lost the day Sean Long moved on and we never replaced him. He, and Bobby Goulding before him gave us personality and character.

This might sound ridiculous but I believe that when you have an exciting half back, the team starts to mirror him in a way. Sean Long and Bobby Goulding had us ticking over like a dream. When they were injured and others stepped in, even with star players like Newlove, Lyon, Sculthorpe, Cunningham, Martyn etc we just looked a bit one dimensional. We still had enough quality to win games but it wasn't pretty.

We never replaced Longy. Eastmond was injured a fair bit and although people will disagree, I don't think he was great at guiding the team around the park. Lomax was proven to not be a natural scrum half. Gaskell never worked out either. We weren't interested in Matty Smith.

We bought Walsh in, and he looked good for a while when he was fit and we all know what happened after that. Was/is he the typical exciting, daft as brush, maverick style half back that we've got used to as Saints fans over the years? I don't think he is or was.

I wish we'd have coughed up for a Brough or a Kevin Brown...

The is more below average overseas to come in 2016.

I wasn't at the game on Friday as I'm on holiday but I take it we rolled out the 3 drives, drop off and an early kick tactics again?

For us to play that way with Sean Long on the coaching staff really does baffle me. He must be tearing his hair out. It's awful to watch and will simply not work for us.

For a start we don't have good enough kickers in our side to pin teams down in their half. Kicking on the 4th is pointless when the kick is going straight down the opposition's throats.

My biggest moan at the minute though is this obsession with the drop off. There was an example in the Catalans game when we were about 8 behind with 10 minutes left. It was the 4th tackle and we were 20 yards out. Our "move" of choice was to hit Greg Richards with a drop off back into the middle of the field. It's completely and utterly clueless. For KC to coach that is shocking, but surely Walsh and Burns need to take some responsibility and realise that a certain element of "off the cuff" has to be expected in those situations?

Our pack is good enough to win us a lot of games and put us where we are in the table, but we need to do more when it matters most. Losing games is one thing but losing them playing an absolutely terrible brand of rugby just leaves a really bad taste.

Perhaps KC has watched us win the GF last year with fairly basic tactics and has assumed he can repeat that. That's a very short-sighted approach and one that is now in danger of backfiring massively and has us looking over our shoulder at the teams in 4th and 5th.

Looking at our squad on paper at the start of the year I was convinced we were the team to beat. A big aggressive pack, 2 out and out half backs for the first time in years and exciting young 3/4s.

I really can't believe we've allowed it to get to this point.

Its baffling for me as well that Sean Long has not taken over our attacking structure, look what he did with Salford over his short period there. KC should be looking at our defence which is one big massive turnstile at the moment. For around 3 or 4 games now his post match comments have concerned the team playing dumb, so maybe its not all down to the game plan but very bad half back executions.

I can,t see how our game is going to improve with a one out pass flat attack, the opposition are just getting an easy ride on there defensive set, again the half backs and hooker have got to get players running in from deep with a bit of pace and momentum. Greenwood and LMS are looking far less effective these last couple of games, there is only Vea who can operate in this restrictive way.

With our half backs so much out of form and having no replacements, KC has got his hands tied and we are stuck until Wikin comes back in the side.

Sean Long being appointed defensive coach pretty much sums up KC's reign so far; baflling and wrong.

I have agreed with every comment on this thread. It's not often that you find a general consensus on these pages so that, for me anyway, says a hell of a lot.

If we can all see it then surely the coaches can see it? What worries me is that Cunningham took charge after Royce was sacked and we played the same tripe we are serving up now. I can't see anything changing over the next couple of weeks and we are facing the prospect of not winning a game in the super 8s if this carries on. Some tough fixtures to follow.

I don't understand what Saints fans have against a drop off. It's like saying we have an obsession with the second man play, or an obsession with the face ball. It's one of the main moves in rugby league, of course we use it often.

A drop off on 4th 20 metres out means you get a PTB that isn't horrendously slow (providing Richards does his job well). It also gives you split halves from the middle of the pitch, meaning two kicking options and less kick pressure. 8 behind and you either need a kick for a repeat set or a kick you can compete for, both of which you aren't likely to achieve if Burns is kicking across his body from the right hand corner with the defence flying up because we shifted it out to the right wing when it wasn't on.