Any greatest Saints team that doesn't include Tom Van Vollenhoven and Alex Murphy is a joke.

I meant in my time watching them.

been watching since 96 so mine is
1. wellens
2. albert
3. lyon
4. newlove
5. sullivan
6. martyn
7. long
8. graham
9. cunningham
10. perrallini
11. joynt
12. gilmoure
13. sculthorpe

14. hooper
15. fairliegh
16. cayless
17. nickle

Thats the trouble with getting a "greatest" team on paper, too young and you miss some great players ...too old and the memory fade's as to who was better than whom.

Pinner/Cos better than Sculthorpe/Karalius
Murphy/Martyn or Goulding/Bishop

Greats all over the park from one season players to one club players, South Africans to Welshmen.
Players who write and ask for trials and then play like they were born to wear the red "v"

My "sig" says it all for me, two of the best players I have seen, but there have been many more, far too many to list.

Exactly, the important thing is posters are allowed to have a little fun with their ideas, without being pilloried for not picking people who played before their time.

Mine would be (Watching since '93)

1. Wellens
2. Albert 3. Iro 4. Newlove 5. Sullivan
6. Pryce 7. Martyn
8. Britt 9. Cunningham 10. Graham
11. Joynt 12. Fairleigh
13. Sculthorpe

14. Roby 15. Perelini 16. P Anderson 17. Darren Smith

That team would take some beating. Hopefully in a year or so I'll be reconsidering to fit Young Kyle in somewhere.

Watching since 1998.
1. Wellens
2. Sullivan
3. Lyon
4. Iro
5. Albert
6. Martyn
7. Long
8. Graham
9. Cunningham
10. Fairleigh
11. Joynt
12. Gilmour
13. Sculthorpe

14. Roby
15. Perralini
16. Britt
17. Hooper

Been watching since early 80's

1 Wellens
2 Quirke
3 Iro
4 Newlove
5 Sullivan
6 Martyn
7 Long
8 Ward
9 Cunnigham
10 Fairleigh
11 Joynt
12 Gilmour
13 Sculthorpe

Subs
Graham Roby Cooper Nickle / Holding

Big Mal doesnt make it due to the 3/4 of a season he played compared to the other 2 centres plus other greats like Loughlin, Groves, hunte, Ropati, Mann Pinner, Arkwright, Ledger

HOWEVER what about a worst Saints 13?

1 Danny Arnold
2 Chris Smith
3 Damien smith
4 Michael O'connor
5 Brimah Kebbie
6 Darren Bloor
7 John Mcatee
8 Ricky Cowan
9
10 Adamson
11 Forber
12 Harrison
13

Can anybody add to hooker or looseforward?

This is a bug bear of mine, Adamason was a decent player who fell victim to Hanley's ego. If your looking for a crap prop, Bryan Henare's your man.

ohhhh add Heath Cruickshank to my $hit list

No hes was crap, after watching him in the cup away at Hunslet (I think) in one of his first games he was crap, and the standard didnt improve from that day on.

How many first team games did he play?

Not sure, if its not many I still dont think its anything to do with Hanley, its probably more to do with the performances when in the first team.

lol not many www.saints.org.uk/saints.org.uk/ ... page_id=10

lol not many www.saints.org.uk/saints.org.uk/ ... page_id=10

I watched a fair few reserve games that year, and Adamson was an absolute giant in them, but would never get picked for the firsts after the first couple of weeks when he got 3 sub-appearences. He certainly didn't do anything so bad in those 3 games to warranty a year long exclusion.

If we had plenty of talent in the forwards that year, then fair enough, but Paul Davidson played virtually every match and was absolutely dire.

Adamson was signed by the board before Hanley arrived and I have no doubt that the reason he didn't get a fair crack of the whip was to do with Hanley exercising his authority rather than playing ability.