Leeds are 8-15 to win so we are pretty heavy underdogs and rightfully so.

Leeds will won comfortably IMO.

I'll be quite scared the day you ever say Saints will win a game

In all seriousness we have to be underdogs if only as we've not performed anything like we are capable of since very early in the season.

All logic says they will. All logic suggested we would lose to Bradford in 1999 too.

Over the last seven meetings we have won five and the two defeats have been by an eight point margin.

We clearly raise our game when we play them and we are going to have to play as well as we have done for a long time but it's not out of the question.

A lot depends on if it's raining or not for me

Dry weather we have a chance wet weather we'll lose again

Mate,

We are big underdogs for this final.

I think most people outside of Saints fans think the writing is on the trophy for Leeds already.

I'm happy with that.....

The spirit of 99 can be recreated.

Lol nice overplaying of the underdogs tag.

Of course you are underdogs, but to suggest people outside of saints think leeds name is on the trophy, or that it is anyway comparable to bulls 99 when they beat you by 40, 2 weeks earlier is laughable.

Leeds were bigger underdogs last year.

For some reason you guys over being underdogs but in reality it has little impact on the game and you have won as many finals as favourites as you have as underdogs.

I think you are right here.

Traditionally, rain is a leveller. As Leeds are clearly the better side at the moment then such weather would be a help for us.

As you rightly point out, times have changed and now we are strictly a five drives and a kick team (or more appropriately, five drives and a stand around looking confused on the last tackle, side) then it's certainly more likely to affect a team that moves the ball about more like Leeds do.

If they were, they should not have been. Our form hasn't been bad for months now, it's been terrible.

That 1999 side was in significantly better form than this one, as we had played some great stuff in destroying Leeds and Cas in the play offs either side of the Bradford debacle.

Your form isn't as bad as you make out when you've just beaten 2 quality sides to make the grand final.

Your form, especially in defence is pretty good.

I don't think anyone denies you are underdogs.

But the way your fans go on you would think there are odds of 100000-1 on you winning the grand final, and then if you do win you can claim it as one of the great back to the wall victories, blah blah blah.

Without a doubt we are underdogs for this game and rightly so. Leeds are the form team and Saints have been stuttering along for the last three months

I was confident and had a lot of faith in winning in 07 and was disappointed we didn't win, especially the margin of the defeat. 08, I was more than confident in us winning until it started to rain. Then I knew we had no chance.

Saturday if the weathers fine, Saints are in with a chance.

The key on Saturday is Saints have to have the ability to control the ball for more than 50 percent of the game and that is a must if they want to win.

Finals where I believe we were favourites and lost:

Vs Halifax - 1987
Vs Wigan - 2002
Vs Leeds - 2007
Vs Leeds - 2008

Add the CC semi finals against Hull and Huddersfield in 2005 and 2009 respectively...

Finals where I believe we were favourites and won:

Vs Bradford - 1996
vs Wigan 2004
Vs Hull - 2006
Vs Huddersfield 2006
Vs Catalans 2007
Vs Hull 2008

Finals where I believe we were underdogs and won:

Vs Bradford 1999
Vs Wigan 2000

Isn't this the year we went to JJB in the Play Offs and put 54 on them? I think we had to be favourites going into that Grand Final

1999 definitely and for me possibly 2002