As an outsider looking in he looks a truly terrible player. I've not seen much of him before this season but he looks way way out of his depth.

Surely questions need to be asked about who at the club authorised his signing?

He is absolutely abysmal but he is not on his own, Luke Walsh put in one of the worst halfbacks performance i have witnessed and Jon Wilkin actually gave up. He should retire with immediate effect.

I thought Owens was bad last week, but didn't comment on it as I don't want to write him off too early.

He was as bad this week.

I raise you Josh Perry!

Owens was a lot more solid dealing with kicks this week but defensively he doesn't look to have a tackle in him and his kick offs were killing you.

Never a full back of the quality a club like St Helens requires.

He comes close.

Looks very nervy with the ball. Always looking to pass and doesn't like having to take the ball in.

Walsh not interested terrible game again kit man won't need to wash his shirt says it all really

To be honest under our current coaching regime it would be hard to judge any of our players.

Has he always been this bad, or has he just lost his bottle recently?

Agreed. KC won't last the season.
I watched both coached being interviewed and the difference was immense. KC talking about how unfortunate things were and Robinson showing how tiny changes can make the difference in how a play turns out. Apart from Wilkin and Walsh I can't fault the effort but it was mindless; just aggression.

No plan at all - KC must take the whole blame for such a lame performance,

I think we're seeing the reason he was never able to hold down a regular spot for Widnes. It was either pure arrogance from Cunningham in believing he could turn him into a player or pure cheapness from McManus and his cronies.

I said it at the time, shocking signing and one that proves the club just simply doesn't give two hoots about being successful.

Yes definitely on the cheap as cheap could be. No Widnes fans were crying when we signed him-= Widnes wouldn't even offer him anew contract.

He's no Phil Adamson or Michael Smith, thats for sure!

Well seen him in two games and he's no fullback. When is lomax due back?