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| Feigning injury. Got no time for that from ANY team. He was my MOM up to that point (despite the counless penalties he gave away)
However ive got no time whatsoever for players who did what he did today. Glad the linesman gave the penalty after watching the SKY reply several times because he deserved it.
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| Yes. That one bit of silliness cost us the game. He got a lucky initial call of play-on, and if he'd got up and played the ball, we were going downfield with castleford deflated and a two point lead. Instead, he bugered about on the floor, both annoying the officials and giving them time to reverse the decision.
It was stupid play by Louis, the low point of a terrible second half in which saints essentially committed hari Kari.
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| It was the wrong time to do it. But that doesn't change it being a terrible decision. Saints should complain formally about that. He saw that from a few feet away and had no issues with it. Roberts made no attempt at all to go for it. The touch judge got all nervous cos he's a timid little gimp with no backbone and gave into those heckling him, including the Cas staff.
The decision to go for the video ref when Swift stole the ball was dodgy to say the least. How often does the player drop the ball in that situation? All the time, so what makes them come up with that?
Ignoring all the WWE style refereeing we deserved to lose. Hope Swift is okay but sick of him as a player, Roby came up with all the mistakes he's not made throughout his career tonight as if he'd saved them up. Really poor from everyone bar SMD and a few others. We've no doubt lost Shannon for the season now looking at that.
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| Quote: Saddened! "It was the wrong time to do it. But that doesn't change it being a terrible decision. Saints should complain formally about that. He saw that from a few feet away and had no issues with it. Roberts made no attempt at all to go for it. The touch judge got all nervous cos he's a timid little gimp with no backbone and gave into those heckling him, including the Cas staff.
The decision to go for the video ref when Swift stole the ball was dodgy to say the least. How often does the player drop the ball in that situation? All the time, so what makes them come up with that?
Ignoring all the WWE style refereeing we deserved to lose. Hope Swift is okay but sick of him as a player, Roby came up with all the mistakes he's not made throughout his career tonight as if he'd saved them up. Really poor from everyone bar SMD and a few others. We've no doubt lost Shannon for the season now looking at that.'"
My god, and I thought Hull fans were blinkered!
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| Quote: spegs "My god, and I thought Hull fans were blinkered!'"
Blinkered? No issues with the swift decision but why ask for it? Did anyone live think it was anything but a dropped ball from a player being thrown over the side line? Why don't they go to the video to check everytime in that scenario, loads would have to be called steals.
The LMS pen was ridiculous refereeing. He's made the call from a few feet away with a perfect view. Why is he then allowing a touch judge to overrule him thirty seconds later because he's watched it on the screen and is getting abuse from Cas?
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| I just don't understand his actions. He had clearly barged a player without possession off the ball and got away with it. By faking injury this gave the opportunity for the Touch judge to have a sneaky look at the big screen and give a penalty to Cas.
Probably not helped by collapsing as if shot by a sniper before the final Saints drop out.
Overall, what a great game. A draw would have been a fair result.
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| If LMS jumps to his feet and plays that ball, there's no way Silverwood goes back and gives the pen.
That knock on from Roby from the scrum was just insane, I couldn't believe what I was seeing! What a time for a basic error like that.
Hell of a game for the neutral supporter though
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| Justice served to LMS, at our expense, unfortunately. RL seems to have taken a significant leap towards football-esque behaviour this season, with handbags in Origin and feigned injury in SL. I don't want to see it at Saints and hopefully LMS will pack it in after that.
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| I thought he was brilliant going forward, easily one of our best metre makers but he was a penalty machine tonight.
He wasn't the only one to do some silly things but he will know what he has done and the consequences.
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| He'll play again next week without any redress as he's clearly in Moon Head's good boys club. One of his 'middles'.
He epitomises everything about us that's bad - ill disciplined, no game management and he in particular just believes his own publicity far too much. If he was capable of thinking as hard as he runs then he'd be half decent. His footballer-escque cheating should earn him a suspension as there's no place for that in our game.
No doubt Cunningham will come out with some stupid clichéd remark to gloss over one of the worst second halves of a game I have ever seen us take part in. Then pick the same team bar the injuries next week. Nice one KC.
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| Disgraceful to see. What was worse though, in my opinion, was the way he ran out from the defensive line to lay down in front of the sticks feigning cramp, when Cas forced the drop out a couple of minutes earlier. Absolutely shameful and lost a lot of respect from me as a result.
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| Quote: Allez "He'll play again next week without any redress as he's clearly in Moon Head's good boys club. One of his 'middles'.
He epitomises everything about us that's bad - ill disciplined, no game management and he in particular just believes his own publicity far too much. If he was capable of thinking as hard as he runs then he'd be half decent. His footballer-escque cheating should earn him a suspension as there's no place for that in our game.
No doubt Cunningham will come out with some stupid clichéd remark to gloss over one of the worst second halves of a game I have ever seen us take part in. Then pick the same team bar the injuries next week. Nice one KC.'"
It's not just LMS though. Roby was appalling tonight, easily his worst game ever. His distribution was horrific, dropping off tackles, kicking out on the full, the knock on under their sticks that cost us the chance of a shot at winning. Percival, as good as he did throughout the game, really didn't need to give that penalty away.
Cas are a really strong side, I'm never confident going there. Grant Millington was the best forward on the field tonight by a mile, what a player he is. Gale had a good game and Roberts, Solomona and Carney give them a lot of threat. As bad as we were tonight, they weren't great either, making some horrendous mistakes themselves and coming up with some awful defensive reads. Had the ref not allowed the touch judge to take over reffing the game briefly, Cas would have lost and I'm sure they would still be in there now getting the first few layers of skin ripped off by the fury coming from Powell.
Anyone else sick of the two run away interception/rubbish-kick returns we concede per game? Burns again the main culprit. Adam Swift had an awful time tonight. He can't catch, bombing a try and costing us defensively. He looked like bambi tonight and the horrible head knock he recevied was the result of falling over into that tackle. Hope he's okay, but he needs time out of the first team.
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| Cas fan here, I used to love LMS, he was a breath of fresh air to SL, A young Londoner who had done well and was enjoying his deserved success with Saints and playing with a smile on his face. Just my opinion but lately his success seems to have gone to his head and its effecting his game. Hope KC gives him a kick up the rear and gets him back to what he was.
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| Quote: steadygetyerboots-on "Disgraceful to see. What was worse though, in my opinion, was the way he ran out from the defensive line to lay down in front of the sticks feigning cramp, when Cas forced the drop out a couple of minutes earlier. Absolutely shameful and lost a lot of respect from me as a result.'"
Bit OTT? Players ALWAYS do the knee drop on drop outs, it's been going on for decades and almost all sides do it when under pressure. LMS has clearly been told to do this by the coaching staff, he does it as blatantly as that all the time, even in games we're winning comfortably. It's not shameful, it's a loophole in the rules that they need to close. But how can they? What if a player really is injured? How do you tell?
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| Quote: newgroundb4wakey "Cas fan here, I used to love LMS, he was a breath of fresh air to SL, A young Londoner who had done well and was enjoying his deserved success with Saints and playing with a smile on his face. Just my opinion but lately his success seems to have gone to his head and its effecting his game. Hope KC gives him a kick up the rear and gets him back to what he was.'"
Well done on the win tonight. Despite not being happy with the loss there's something very Saints-like about Cas and you are great to watch despite probably also not being at your best tonight. I wish we had a coach like yours - knows the game and, more importantly, can translate that knowledge and communicate it to his team effectively and turn it into a winning mentality. He's a bloke I admire a lot and appears to have a lot of integrity.
I agree with your comments on LMS - he's too much of it. His penalty count alone is reprehensible and feigning injury is as bad as I have seen. He should be ashamed to call himself a rugby player after that.
There's no way our coach will kick his backside however - KC doesn't do discipline on or off the field if you're in the 'in club'.
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