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superleague.co.uk/report/10074
not pretty veiwing,
Roby did 60 tackles and more mtrs than any forward
Jones had a decent game too
Lance had a bloody nightmare
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superleague.co.uk/report/10074
not pretty veiwing,
Roby did 60 tackles and more mtrs than any forward
Jones had a decent game too
Lance had a bloody nightmare
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| Quote: Saint Simon "superleague.co.uk/report/10074
Lance had a bloody nightmare'"
Welcome back the real lance, we missed you.
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| Wello missed SIX tackles! Six!
And how crap were our forwards? So very, very crap. Yet Brown in his post match gubbins has criticised only his 'back three'. Idiot.
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| I got the impression Wello and Brown didn't want to launch into public criticism at this crucial stage of the season. Understandable, I suppose, but their comments didn't ring true at all.
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| Quote: SaintsFan "Wello missed SIX tackles! Six!
And how crap were our forwards? So very, very crap. Yet Brown in his post match gubbins has criticised only his 'back three'. Idiot.'"
Wellens is a complete liability defensively. He was dropping off tackles all night and that 6 doesn't even include the ones where he was dummied and walked past.
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| We need to stick a fork in Wello he's done
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| Quote: FearTheVee "Welcome back the real lance, we missed you.'"
I thought for much of the game he was at least trying to make things happen in our attack. But most of the time players around him looked clueless. In the 4th quarter of the match, he did start looking shambolic, though.
One thing that did strike me was that our aggression wasn't controlled or channelled positively. We put in a few cheap shots, whilst on many occassions not fronting up in the collision where we need that aggression.
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| If it was a game earlier in the year I'd drop them and put the kids in. But we have to be fair, it was the backs who kept dropping ball after ball.
The forwards can't do anything but tackle if the backs are dropping all the balls.
It's no point saying look at the meters made, look at the number of carries very few and far between and that's because our forwards spent most of their time and energy defending only for the backs and Mose to drop the ball when we had the chance.
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| Quote: bewareshadows "If it was a game earlier in the year I'd drop them and put the kids in. But we have to be fair, it was the backs who kept dropping ball after ball.
The forwards can't do anything but tackle if the backs are dropping all the balls.
It's no point saying look at the meters made, look at the number of carries very few and far between and that's because our forwards spent most of their time and energy defending only for the backs and Mose to drop the ball when we had the chance.'"
Couldn't agree more
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| Wires plan was simple.
Exploit Saints lack of mobility amongst our big forwards.
Time after time Russell jumped in at dummy half and scooted. He beat the first marker nearly every time.
This meant Saints defence was on the back foot for most of the game. With Warrington on the front foot this allowed Monaghan to orchestrate his forwards into running through holes. Further stretching Saints defence and keeping us on the back foot.
On the 6th tackle with good field position wires view was to starve Saints of possession by forcing dropouts. This then denied us the opportunity to attack and forced us to expend yet more energy defending.
When we did get field position we were capable of exposing Warrington. However Wires tactics and orchestration of them was so good that we rarely got a sniff.
As has happened at other times this season, once a side got two scores up against Saints. The Saints players heads went down and we folded.
I put some of the errors down to the pressure we felt in the game.
Very few of this side have any big game experience. I think only Wello and Roby have picked up any gongs. The rest don't know what its like to win something, or even win big matches with something at stake.
That's one of the reasons why I think that it was essential to win the league leaders this year. Its not much of a trophy but it can and should be used as a springboard to bigger and better things.
As things stand I think Castleford will win it this year. We will fail miserably in the playoffs.
Next season without any half backs at the start of the year we will struggle. The new format will mean all sides will come out flying. This will be especially true of the likes of Wigan, Leeds and Warrington, who will show how much better than us they really are.
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| I thought Wellens was horrendous last night and seeing those stats, wow. I don't think I've seen many individual performances as bad as that. He won't play as bad as that ever again. 9 metres made, 2 errors, 6 missed tackles?! Shocking, absolutely shocking.
Hohaia isn't that far off either, another shocker of a performance.
Last night just confirms that we're pretty much done this year. When put under any real pressure we have folded and all those issues in earlier season games agaianst Catalans, Wire @ Magic weekend, Hull KR, Leeds in the cup & Good Friday have surfaced again.
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| Quote: Blobbynator "I thought Wellens was horrendous last night and seeing those stats, wow. I don't think I've seen many individual performances as bad as that. He won't play as bad as that ever again. 9 metres made, 2 errors, 6 missed tackles?! Shocking, absolutely shocking.
Hohaia isn't that far off either, another shocker of a performance.
Last night just confirms that we're pretty much done this year. When put under any real pressure we have folded and all those issues in earlier season games agaianst Catalans, Wire @ Magic weekend, Hull KR, Leeds in the cup & Good Friday have surfaced again.'"
Wello was really struggling to handle Westwood defensively.
Offensively he was being used as our left sided pivot, however his lack of pace meant Wire players just allowed him the inside line, knowing that if he took the gap they could cover across and tackle him. The end result was the left sided three quarters never got space to move in as they were always covered.
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| Yet again Roby 60 tackles - ridiculous . He's probably our biggest offensive threat but doing so much work is restricting him.
I'd like to see how many breaks Clark at Cas would make having made 60 tackles.
Whilst last nights tackle stats are above average for most due to the amount of defending we did - the workload needs to be shared more .
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| Quote: bewareshadows "If it was a game earlier in the year I'd drop them and put the kids in. But we have to be fair, it was the backs who kept dropping ball after ball.
The forwards can't do anything but tackle if the backs are dropping all the balls.
It's no point saying look at the meters made, look at the number of carries very few and far between and that's because our forwards spent most of their time and energy defending only for the backs and Mose to drop the ball when we had the chance.'"
Exactly. Mose dropped the ball twice. So why just focus on the backs? Makinson dropped it twice and McDonnell once. Swift didn't drop it at all. Given that McDonnell was playing with a broken jaw, so must have been in lots of pain, I'd excuse him one dropped ball.
Did Brown mention Wello's missed tackles (the highest number of misses in the team)? Or the cheap shots our forwards put on? Or the useless metres our forwards made? Nope. Just criticised the 'back three' who made a total of three errors between them.
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| Quote: Blobbynator "Last night just confirms that we're pretty much done this year. When put under any real pressure we have folded and all those issues in earlier season games agaianst Catalans, Wire @ Magic weekend, Hull KR, Leeds in the cup & Good Friday have surfaced again.'"
They've never been dealt with in spite of all the pseudo public hand wringing.
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