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we are past the halfway point in the season, wouldnt mind trying this to see everyones opinion....

Best team Performance-

Worst team Performance-

Best individual performance-

Worst individual performance-

Biggest letdown-

Who's has stepped up-

Most improved-

player of the season so far-

Rest of season expectations-

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Best team Performance- Leeds at home / Leeds away. Both superb performances. Also Warrington away.

Worst team Performance- Wigan at Etihad, Magic Weekend. Worst Saints performance I've ever seen.

Best individual performance- James Roby v Warrington. Ran the show.

Worst individual performance- Paul Wellens v Wigan, Etihad, Magic Weekend. Absolutely embarassing.

Biggest letdown- Paul Wellens, he's awful. Lance Hohaia, although not really a let down, I expected him to be rubbish and said as much when his signing was announced.

Who's has stepped up- Paul Clough. Some numpties question his value on here. I just question his lack of quality hair. Superb stats it turns out. Other than him Sia.

Most improved-LMS. Brilliant improvement this year.

player of the season so far- James Roby, Sia Soliola, LMS

Rest of season expectations- More abstract humiliation against Wigan. I CBA with the play off permutations, but we'll lose at the DW to close the regular season and then be knocked out of the play offs by them no doubt. I honestly don't want another Grand Final this year, we're not good enough to win it and I don't want to sit through another defeat.

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Cheers for taking the time to answer. Don't disagree with much tbh. icon_smile.gif

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Friday 28th March, 2014, a day that will live in infamy... [quote="Saddened!":fwnfr3rg]Whatever happens they have all been magnificent. Even Wello.[/quote:fwnfr3rg] [quote="Saddened!":fwnfr3rg]Lance Hohaia can have my babies after that show[/quote:fwnfr3rg] #theworldturnedupsidedown:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_61326.jpg



Best team Performance- Leeds @ home

Worst team Performance-Bradford @ Odsal

Best individual performance- Jonny Lomax v Leeds @ home

Worst individual performance- Jamie Foster v Bradford @ Odsal

Biggest letdown- throwing away a 12-0 lead away at Hull for an 18-18 draw!! Should have run ball with penalty in last minute cos I am still convinced we would have scored...Saints of old would have run it and pinched the game and showed imo we are a shadow of our former selves confidence wise

Who's has stepped up- Josh Jones

Most improved-LMS

player of the season so far- James Roby

Rest of season expectations- a top 4 finish and our annual beating at Old Trafford...probably by Wigan this year!!

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Quote: Saddened! "Biggest letdown- Paul Wellens, he's awful. Lance Hohaia, although not really a let down, I expected him to be rubbish and said as much when his signing was announced.'"


You know what? I have to give you some credit for at least introducing the element of doubt into everything you post. Either you are the best wind up merchant I have ever come across or you really are as sad (sic) as your posts suggest.

Wellens is not awful he's just a shadow of the player he once was and that's not suggesting he's been great all year because he hasn't. Apart from Roby and Sia neither has anyone else. At least you can never ever criticise him for effort and desire; albeit that his performances no longer consistently come up to the standards we could once expect - that happens to EVERY player.

Also, how on earth you can depict Wellens generically as 'awful' when he's actually still been good in patches this year, yet describe Lance as 'not really a let down' is as embarrassing as you are accusing Wellens of being. Just because you predicted he'd be 'rubbish' doesn't excuse the level of tripe he's dished up this year.

Lance has been the biggest let down since Michael O'Connor.

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Quote: Allez "You know what? I have to give you some credit for at least introducing the element of doubt into everything you post. Either you are the best wind up merchant I have ever come across or you really are as sad (sic) as your posts suggest.

Wellens is not awful he's just a shadow of the player he once was and that's not suggesting he's been great all year because he hasn't. Apart from Roby and Sia neither has anyone else. At least you can never ever criticise him for effort and desire; albeit that his performances no longer consistently come up to the standards we could once expect - that happens to EVERY player.

Also, how on earth you can depict Wellens generically as 'awful' when he's actually still been good in patches this year, yet describe Lance as 'not really a let down' is as embarrassing as you are accusing Wellens of being. Just because you predicted he'd be 'rubbish' doesn't excuse the level of tripe he's dished up this year.

Lance has been the biggest let down since Michael O'Connor.'"


I agree on Hohaia. But technically if I expected him to be poor, he can't really let me down by being poor can he?

On Wello, I over emphasise the point and make it too often, but it's true. If Wellens had retired two years ago and the Wello currently playing had been say 'Mike Ashburn' from the NRL he would be coming in for real stick. The fact Wello is a club legend clouds so many people's judgement on him. They let what he was blur what he is now. There are even people saying he's the best in SL bar Tomkins and that he should be given another 2 years a010.gif

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Best team Performance- Leeds Home/Wire Away... Basically that 2 weeks of awesomeness we had!

Worst team Performance- Wigan at MM, worst I've ever seen.

Best individual performance- Ade Gardner v Leeds at home... He was like a man possessed! Perhaps not best in terms of quality, but best I've seen him play for a long time.

Worst individual performance- Gary Wheeler at MM

Biggest letdown- Lance Hohaia... No contest

Who's has stepped up- Sia Soliola!

Most improved- LMS

player of the season so far- Sia

Rest of season expectations- To finish 3rd (sad statement for Super League considering how far behind Wigan & Wire we are) and to step up in the play-offs, maybe grab a win over Wire in the first round but then lose in the Semi.

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Quote: Saddened! "Who's has stepped up- Paul Clough. Some numpties question his value on here. I just question his lack of quality hair. Superb stats it turns out. Other than him Sia.
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Oh, to be inside your head, Saddo
Quote: Saddened! "Why? He's becoming less and less impressive by the week as he gets older and is now an out and out plodder with no real impact, either defensively or with the ball. There is little Clough does that an academy prop like Forster couldn't be doing for a lot less money.'"
The more I read your posts the more I think you'd be a hoot down the pub.

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Ahh Tesco Building St Helens & Warrington's future Destroying Wigans past "Viva Ben Flower, Viva Ben Flower, could have won the cup but you Messed it up Viva Ben Flower":



Best team Performance- Leeds home and away

Worst team Performance- Wigan @ Etihad

Best individual performance - Perry against Leeds

Worst individual performance- Perry against Wigan @ home

Biggest letdown - Lance Hohaia

Who's has stepped up - Josh Jones

Most improved - LMS (game at Etihad standing upto the thug Hock)

player of the season so far - Roby

Rest of season expectations - Expect to get in top 4 and sign a quality halfback

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Please bear in mind I was away for over a month so I've not seen every game.

Best team Performance- Warrington away, after the Leeds game we could have easily sat back

Worst team Performance- Wigan MM - no doubt

Best individual performance- TP in the Leeds Monday night game, took them apart, his addition after 20mins great

Worst individual performance-Foster probably against Catalan but Bradford runs it close

Biggest letdown-Lance so far

Who's has stepped up-La Franki (big surprise for a 2nd rower)

Most improved-Perry (it was a low base)

player of the season so far- Roby

Rest of season expectations-2nd and GF loss

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Quote: Offside Monkey "Oh, to be inside your head, Saddo
The more I read your posts the more I think you'd be a hoot down the pub.'"


I had an opinion which was changed by Dux and a couple of others who pointed me in the direction of his undeniably impressive statistics. I'm very rarely wrong, but if I am I'm willing to admit it.

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Quote: Saddened! "I had an opinion which was changed by Dux and a couple of others who pointed me in the direction of his undeniably impressive statistics. I'm very rarely wrong, but if I am I'm willing to admit it.'"

I'm slightly impressed - If only all posters were as gracious as you.

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Quote: Saddened! "I had an opinion which was changed by Dux and a couple of others who pointed me in the direction of his undeniably impressive statistics. I'm very rarely wrong, but if I am I'm willing to admit it.'"



I've been there myself earlier in the year.

I think we should have a clough watch thread. His stats are undeniably good, but for some reason he has a negative presence on the field, (by that I mean he seams to go on and off without anyone seeing the good work, not that he has a negative impact)

Clough the dark matter of St. Helens RL, impossible to see but his presense can be measured.

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Clough had a slow start to the season, but the last couple of months he's been immense.
I've always been a fan, but admit that, following his neck injury, he took a while to get back into the swing of things.

Some games he doesn't seem to get many minutes.

He's a keen defender and won't miss tackle, but perhaps his lack of stature prevents him from being the dominant force that, say, Josh Perry can be in the tackle.

Yards have never been a problem and he's getting a little better at landing on his front and getting a reasonably quick play the ball. He's very capable of the short passes that can be effective clos to the defensive line, but offloads don't seem to come too frequently.

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