Well my arguement is always that everything is relative so how strong or weak are we???

Saints --------- Wigan ------- Wire

1. Wellens ----- Tomkin--------Hodgson
2. Gardner ---- Charnley------Riley
3. Shenton ----- Goulding -----Bridge
4. Soliola ------- Carmont -----Atkins
5. Meli------------Richards-----Dog Boner
6. Hohaia-------- Finch---------Briers
7. Lomax---------Leuluai-------Myler
8. Perry --------- Prescott------Morley
9. Roby ----------Mcllorum-----Monaghan
10. LMS---------- Mossop-------Carvell
11.Puletua ------ Hansen-------Waterhouse
12. Wilkin ------- Hock---------Westwood
13.Flannery ------Oloughlin----Harrison
14.Laffranchi ---- Lima---------Higham
15.Flanagan ----- Fielden------Grix
16. Clough ------ Farrell--------Wood
17. Wheeler ----- Tuson--------Cooper
18. Magennis ---- Flower------ Blythe
19. Dixon -------- Marsh------- Ratchford
20. Gaskell ------- Roberts------Hill
21. Makinson ----- Lauai------- Tyroe
22. Foster -------- Dudson----- Solomona

Anyone below 22 in the Saints squad will struggle to get a game if we are honest so stopped at 22.
I could only fit 3 teams nicely so picked the top 2 from last year.

You can't compare thru squad numbers. It's got to be compared by positions.

Looking at that I think we have a stronger team then both wigan and warrington

Not sure if we are stronger in what is going to be our starting 13. However i believe we have more depth than either wire or wigan.

Trust me I started off doing it that way, but it just got messy. Is Wilkin a 2nd rower or a loose, is Makinson a Winger or FB. Same for Lance.

Waterhouse 2nd rower or loose. Grix etc etc.

It's ok with some of the players but some can play 2 or 3 positions. I jumped Solomona up the list for Warrington, as he has a rediculously high number. also Wigan insist on giving out 18 to the crowd. but basically they are the top 22 players in all 3 squads.

For me Wigan look the weakest over all, could be a case of all eggs in one basket, although we can't rule out a further signing.
We still look very stong in the pack, for me Wigan have the better backs now and Warrington have a very balanced side.

What jumps out for me is as the numbers get higher, because of last year saints have experience from 1-22. Not a player there can be called a rookie. Where as Wigan and Warrington look actually shallower in depth.

Feel free to re-arrange which ever way but people will then just argue whethe megennis is a prop or 2nd rower or loose. Is Makinson, Lomax, Wellens or Lance our first choice FB etc.

I think saints, wolves and pies basically pick themselves. Saints team certainly ain't hard to predict with odd exceptions.

I think it does dispell the myth that our squad is not deep enough though. Because of SL rules on homegrown players every squad has 8 or more players that basically are there to make up the numbers.

Prop wise we have Perry, LMS, Clough, TP, megennis
Wire have Morley, Carvell, Wood, Hill, cooper

So are we as short of a prop as we thought?

Perry - always injured

TP - can be lazy

LMS - I have serious doubts if he's good enough to be first choice prop.

Magennis - always injured

I can see us playing sia in the front row a few times next season

I think sia will eventually be a prop.

He as got the size and did a great job at hull kr last season

He played at prop in one match during 2011 and really impressed me there! He's got the aggression for it anyway. Pity we didn't have a few more aggressive players.

what would your starting 13's be then?

I do see him becoming a prop but would need to be spelled more if playing prop as he misses tackles when he gets tired.

This will prob be the softest saints pack I've seen since I first watched saints.

I wouldnt use him every week as a prop I would only use him as a prop if we had injuries