How long do we have to put up with this garbage?

A team which offers no threat beyond a hopeful up and under bear the line?

Poor recruitment

Poor selection

Poor substitute management

Weak goal-line defence

Soft forwards

Absolutely no self-belief

Shockingly stupid discipline

Teams not needing to play well to beat us

Enough. FFS. Enough.

Do we wait until Smith is back and see what happens?

Personally I'd give him until the end of the easter period

I do believe though that EMcM should be calling him in and asking to explain a few things

Don't think we will be much better when Smith returns, a better kicking game perhaps. KC's Plan Z is really zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

The Super league landscape has changed. Gone are the days where you could kick and scream when things weren't going your way, get a new coach in and bobs your uncle. Look at Huddersfield.

By the end of the Easter period, we could be where Leeds were last year. Do you see us beating Catalans away? No, me neither.

We have to stop making excuses. He's had more than 2 years of relative decline, and the same weaknesses, particularly a complete inability to attack.

This is bad. We shouldn't indulge in wishful thinking.

When was the last time you actually enjoyed watching Saints? You know, went with a smile on your face expecting an entertaining win. As opposed to went with a clenched @rse hoping we'd somehow scrape through?

He has to go.

Pretty much blaming the ref.... again

Yes! Definitely!

No team should sack their coach 4 games in. If the club was thinking of doing it, they should have done it the end of last season. The club backed him with his signings and we've got all his stuff in place so no way will sack him YET.

I think Smith will give us some direction and better kicking game but for me, it's Jonny lomax we miss big time. He's our threat on the edge and he scares the life out of teams.

Personally I'm not happy with some KC coaching and methods but I'd like to see us when lomax and Smith are on the field and fully fit Taia and LMS on the edges.

I agree

in fairness your lads gave it a real good go tonight, play with that passion and get lomax smith back and imo you wont be far away

Except it's not '4 games in' is it? It's 2 seasons and 4 games in of steady decline and it frustrates me when people insist on taking that short term view. If this was his first season I'd be agreeing with you but you are ignoring the fact that he is doing nothing but taking us backwards and has done since he too over.

Matty Smith is not the answer. Never was.

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Your missing the point. I personally would have got rid of him after last season even though we was 80 mins from grand final and had something like won 12 out of last 13 games. I would have sacked him on the basis of the style of play because at times was some of the worst rugby I've ever seen from saints team but Mcmanus stuck with him. He's just signed on 5 players and give the lads a full pre season and imo it's madness just to throw the last 3 month of pre season based on this year, we have no option but to give him more time this season.

If we bring in a new coach now, he might not want the new players, the pre season a waste of time and effort so let's give him until mid season and see where we at and not be silly by sacking a coach 4 games Into new season.

I think we are approaching into a period very similar to Leeds last year where you are expecting things to get better but we are going into the "bottom 4 creep" situation. When Smith comes back we will definitely have a better kicking game but its doubtful it will make the likes of Peyroux, Wilkin, Douglas, Lee etc play any better.
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For me, sadly we are probably looking at a 70% Lomax from now on, his footwork and lack of speed against tighter defences is not going to be influential as in the past.
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KC is so bogged down and stubborn in his own beliefs now, I reckon after Easter we can probably see that we will have too much to do to ensure we are in the top 8. For me once once Smith comes back we need to remove Wilkin and Peyroux out of the team and put more energy and honest effort into our back rowers. Our pack in reality is a front row and 2 wingers, KC has believed in this for a season and 4 games now, its embarrassing but the opposition will quite content for it too continue for all the season.

The last couple of games I have watche don TV I thought Peyroux was one of your better players, obviously I dont see him week in week out like you guys and for everyone to have the same opinion he obviously doesnt cut the mustard. But I thought he was reasonable enough last night. Also think adrenaline got Taia through his first game, although he made errors showed his class too. Think at this point in time itsgood for saints you have replaced Greenwood with him. Good luck for the rest of the season