Can't help but think we've made the wrong call on Lee. Sensational he has been this season. I've been quite critical of him in the past but this year he has knuckled down and been great.

Last night again he was in the midst of things sticking up for his team mates. I think we've made a terrible boo-boo in not giving him another 2 year deal he's definitely worth it. None of the second rowers we've brought through are anywhere near his level, the likes of Ashurst and Dixon are nothing but tackle bags. We are going to miss his pace, it's been like having two centres when he has played second row and he remains about the only second rower in SL capable of going 50 metres on his to score.

I'm gonna miss Gilly.

I don't see how you can have been critical of him in the past tbh, he's been a great servant. Consistently good performances no matter where he plays.

He's definitely going to be missed, and it's another case of short term pain for long term gain - it allows Cloughy a starting spot and Dixon/Ashurst etc regular action. Personally I think we're losing a bit too much experience all at once (especially if KC leaves) but as we're close to the cap I'd rather get rid of players a year too soon than a year too late.

The is no doubt about it we should have give him a 2 year deal.

He's the best 2nd rower in our squad.

Clough, Dixon and Ashurst are all clones of each other though. They will tackle till the cows come home but between them they won't trouble a defensive line in 100 years. We don't need three of those and I bet we could bring one through from the academy every year.

You could put flannery and wilkin on that list.

No, both of those are a class above the others. Wilkin is a very smart player and Flannery runs impressive lines at times.

Flannery is just your average 2nd row and so is wilkin.

I think they have had 1 good game each this year.

I know your thoughts on wilkin, and you know i disagree, but i do agree on flannery, never worth a quota spot. IMO our backline next year should be tony p, wilkin (at 13 playing the ball more)and Soliola (wheeler at centre) with cloughy on the bench, but probably playing 50-60mins though (maurie is better on for 20-30mins)

Flannery is a State of Origin player, which means he is a class act.....Does a lot of defensive work and contribution often under estimated as he is not a stand out player.....Missed when not there, which is the sign of a good player....

I do agree on Ashurst and Dixon (I think they'll be nothing but adequate squad members - nothing more), however Paul Clough has been immense for the past 2 seasons.

Paul Clough WILL and DOES trouble a defensive line...it takes 3-4 players to bring him to ground, and even then he'll steal a couple of yards before the tackle is complete. He is a workhorse and in my opinion should be considered for an England place. If he misses out on the squad, there is something wrong.

What I've seen of Dixon and Ashurst has done nothing to prove to me that they will match Cloughs level, or be good enough to replace Gilmour.

Obviously Clough is one of 'those' players who I would keep. He's solidity personified and will make yards, he's been invaluable in helping Jammer out. But if we signed a proper prop or two, he'd be pretty much redundant.

I'm not so sure - if we signed a top class prop, it would take a lot of weight off Jammers shoulders and make our front row lethal, but still leaving Clough with a lot of responsibility in the back row.

Gilmour has been and is one of my favourite players.

I must admit when I heard we were signing him I wasn't impressed and didn't want him at the club at all.

How wrong was I!

His pace has been a revalation at 2nd row and brought a new dimension to our attack. But this hides the fact that he also tackles above his weight.

I think we will miss him and it's a big mistake letting him go. He's had another great season.

I agree 100% what your saying about dixon and ashurst.

Simon, i think people have got the wrong end of the stick with my views on wilkin.

I've said many times that he's got all the tools to become a very good loose forward and beleive it or not he was 1 of my fave players.

It just makes my blood boil that he's not playing at the level he should be. I know people sayin he's playing out of postion but that didn't stop scully who was loose, 2nd row and stand off. Scully always played well no matter where he played.

I know wilkin ain't a patch on scully but in 2006 he showed signs he could get near that level. Even hooper played well when he was in that stand off, loose and 2nd row postion.