FORUMS > St. Helens > New 2-year deal for Ade? |
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Board Member | 17417 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Aug 2002 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
May 2015 | Mar 2015 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
Transparent Backgrounds/Kermit%20the%20Frog.gif Tweet from @martinoffiah 23/08/2011: 'Must admit i did love watching Saints- Cunningham Joynt Longy Tommy then Leon, last classic RL team ever'. Even the dark side can't help but love the rebellion.:Transparent Backgrounds/Kermit%20the%20Frog.gif |
|
| Saw this on RedVee, mentioned in the RL papers this week.
I hope not. But, it would sum up everything that is wrong with our club at the moment.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Owner | 29212 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2003 | 21 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Oct 2024 | Sep 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
6310_1310045241.jpg :d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6310.jpg |
|
| No chance. It's highly questionable if he's even first choice any more. He's had long spells out of the side where he's not been injured this season.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 10399 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jun 2005 | 19 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jul 2016 | Jul 2016 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
16208_1345534518.jpg [url=www.cater-bake.co.uk]Cater-Bake UK - Pizza and Bakery Equipment Specialists[/url]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_16208.jpg |
|
| Quote: Carlos Alberto "Saw this on RedVee, mentioned in the RL papers this week.
I hope not. But, it would sum up everything that is wrong with our club at the moment.
I suspected we would keep one of Meli or Ade, but for me he offers little mor than being an overall very average player. If its greatly reduced, perhaps its fair enough. I'm sure they'll give him a coaching job the year after aswell.
There's young exciting wingers like Dixon and Brown that have been available and we've passed on them. Whilst overall they're probably no better or worse than Ade, they are young (so have scope to imrove) and they are quick (which is something very important).
Its not totally crazy, but it sure is unambitious.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 16170 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2008 | 16 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Feb 2016 | Oct 2015 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
40218_1286737075.jpg Success is not final; failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. (Winston Churchill):d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_40218.jpg |
|
| Well, he's been interviewed in League Express and appears convinced he's getting a new deal, which he hopes is two years.
Very poor.
|
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Board Member | 11377 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Sep 2002 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2024 | Aug 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
2960.jpg :2960.jpg |
|
| Quote: Offside Monkey "Its not totally crazy, but it sure is unambitious.'"
My thoughts exactly.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 10399 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jun 2005 | 19 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jul 2016 | Jul 2016 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
16208_1345534518.jpg [url=www.cater-bake.co.uk]Cater-Bake UK - Pizza and Bakery Equipment Specialists[/url]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_16208.jpg |
|
| Ade has, during periods of his career, been very good at attacking high balls.
Perhaps with the recruitment of Walsh, this is going to be a [igo to[/i play for us?
|
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Owner | 29212 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2003 | 21 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Oct 2024 | Sep 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
6310_1310045241.jpg :d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6310.jpg |
|
| Quote: Offside Monkey "Ade has, during periods of his career, been very good at attacking high balls.
Perhaps with the recruitment of Walsh, this is going to be a [igo to[/i play for us?'"
I can only think of two times he's done that. Brisbane in the World Club Championships and Leeds last season. It's a totally stupid move to resign a player based on that, especially given Ade hasn't got the pace to be in position for those enough to make it a threat.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 10399 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jun 2005 | 19 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jul 2016 | Jul 2016 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
16208_1345534518.jpg [url=www.cater-bake.co.uk]Cater-Bake UK - Pizza and Bakery Equipment Specialists[/url]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_16208.jpg |
|
| Quote: Saddened! "I can only think of two times he's done that. Brisbane in the World Club Championships and Leeds last season. It's a totally stupid move to resign a player based on that, especially given Ade hasn't got the pace to be in position for those enough to make it a threat.'"
2006 Grandfinal?
See my overall thoughts on it above, but it may be a little bit of a silver lining if he does resign. Plus, we haven't had anyone that has been delivering that sort of kick in recent years, have we?
|
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 16170 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2008 | 16 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Feb 2016 | Oct 2015 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
40218_1286737075.jpg Success is not final; failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. (Winston Churchill):d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_40218.jpg |
|
| Quote: Offside Monkey "2006 Grandfinal?
See my overall thoughts on it above, but it may be a little bit of a silver lining if he does resign. Plus, we haven't had anyone that has been delivering that sort of kick in recent years, have we?'"
Gardner consistently makes a hash of competing for high balls and if only three instances of him actually taking one can be recalled in a career spanning ten years then that suggests he is very poor. In fact, the only thing going for Ade is his kick returns. He doesn't have pace, he isn't exactly a great finisher (at least not these days), his defence is iffy and his ability under the bomb debatable.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if all our OOC contract players were re-signed but I wouldn't agree with any of them being re-signed myself, bar Laffranchi on the basis of him playing in the second row and even then I'd be 50/50 on it.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Owner | 5852 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jan 2004 | 21 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Nov 2024 | Jun 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
Ahh Tesco
Building St Helens & Warrington's future
Destroying Wigans past
"Viva Ben Flower, Viva Ben Flower, could have won the cup but you Messed it up Viva Ben Flower": |
|
| Awfull decision by the club if true? These signing's are the reason were sitting 8th place and looking at a 6th loss on the trot?
Send him on his way with a big thank you
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 8991 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Sep 2009 | 15 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Sep 2024 | Jun 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
47035_1386433761.gif We can be bold enough to make a stand and do battle for our views and beliefs. But we must strive to be mature enough not to resort to unnecessary personal attacks upon people with opposing views.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_47035.gif |
|
| It would surprise me, given the injuries he's had, given the recent experience of keeping players too long. Given that we would not offer Longy a 2 year deal. Only a few years back.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 10399 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jun 2005 | 19 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jul 2016 | Jul 2016 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
16208_1345534518.jpg [url=www.cater-bake.co.uk]Cater-Bake UK - Pizza and Bakery Equipment Specialists[/url]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_16208.jpg |
|
| Quote: SaintsFan "Gardner consistently makes a hash of competing for high balls and if only three instances of him actually taking one can be recalled in a career spanning ten years then that suggests he is very poor. In fact, the only thing going for Ade is his kick returns. He doesn't have pace, he isn't exactly a great finisher (at least not these days), his defence is iffy and his ability under the bomb debatable.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if all our OOC contract players were re-signed but I wouldn't agree with any of them being re-signed myself, bar Laffranchi on the basis of him playing in the second row and even then I'd be 50/50 on it.'"
He was very good at it around the 2006-07 period, but he's had period where he's been equally as dreadful.
I can only think that the club are panicking about replacing two old wingers at once, even though we have have Swift and Makinson who are in many ways as capable as Ade.
Does the club not have any young wingers? It seems like we always use young standoffs/centres as back up in order to break them in. Makinson stuck there, but he was a centre originally. What young wingers do we have?
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Board Member | 4411 | |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2003 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Feb 2024 | Apr 2018 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
4750_1435141111.jpg :d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_4750.jpg |
|
| I've been prepared to be patient with Brown, as he has had a lot of rubbish to deal with since taking over. I can accept a bit of short-term suffering if there is a clear plan to get things changed, both in terms of our style of play and the scale of our ambitions.
If we give a two year contract to Gardner that will suggest to me that no such plans are in place, and I will really begin to worry about the future of the club.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Board Member | 17417 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Aug 2002 | 22 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
May 2015 | Mar 2015 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
Transparent Backgrounds/Kermit%20the%20Frog.gif Tweet from @martinoffiah 23/08/2011: 'Must admit i did love watching Saints- Cunningham Joynt Longy Tommy then Leon, last classic RL team ever'. Even the dark side can't help but love the rebellion.:Transparent Backgrounds/Kermit%20the%20Frog.gif |
|
| It cannot be true. It simply cannot be true. The likes of Briscoe is available and we're gonna offer a 45 year old winger a new 2 year deal?
Stick a fork in us. We're done.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 16170 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2008 | 16 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Feb 2016 | Oct 2015 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
40218_1286737075.jpg Success is not final; failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. (Winston Churchill):d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_40218.jpg |
|
| Quote: Offside Monkey "Does the club not have any young wingers? It seems like we always use young standoffs/centres as back up in order to break them in. Makinson stuck there, but he was a centre originally. What young wingers do we have?'"
Who knows? We never get to see them. Either we don't produce specialist wingers or our young wingers are actually players playing on the wing but are better elsewhere on the pitch. In the short years I've been watching Saints (since 2007 on a regular basis), I have simply never seen us play an indentified young winger on the wing. They've always been something else. It's like we see the wing spot more as a means of blooding a young backline player rather than as a spot in itself.
But whichever way we play it, keeping Meli and Gardner on the wings for another two years is not the way forward. The rest of our backline will be faster than the wingers and that is just ludicrous.
|
|
|
|
|
|