Surely it is time for Gaskell to be given shout?

Lomax/Hohia partnership offers nothing. Oodles of poession v the Pies yet creativity near zero.

It doesn't matter. Is our fullback good enough? No. Are our outside backs any good? No. Are our forwards good enough? No.

We're a mid table side and it will take Brown 5 years to get the squad into the right shape to challenge for trophies again.

Inclined to agree a little bit.

I don't think we arr massively off in the backs if we get Turner. Limited but not awful. Hohia to 1 would add a different dimension.

I think we need a half back probably another 3-quarter in the off season.

Is it that long ago that you absolutely hammered Leeds at your ground...? Play like you did today and it would be highly likely we can get sweet revenge with a reverse tonking

We dominated the territory and possession, but had absolutely no guile or creativity from the halves to unlock a rock hard defence. Exactly the same as in the semi last year, or the league game against Warrington last season, or any number of other games the last couple of years in fact. There's very little wrong with our backline no matter what the knee-jerkers think, but we desperately, desperately, [idesperately[/i need a genuine #7 from somewhere. Gaskell isn't the answer yet but he couldn't do much worse than Hohaia at the moment - I'm sure he's a great player and all, but clearly not at #6 and clearly not in the current Saints setup. We have to do more and play better to win big games than any other team in the league does right now. Very depressing and a terrible waste of an otherwise overall very good playing squad.

I said it at the start of the year and I'll say it again. Royce Simmons has set us back years with his crazy signings and shocking methods.

The signing of hohaia on a four year deal to play stand off shocking. Signing Laffranchi in a lightweight pack to play prop was also a massive mistake. He's doing ok but he's not the prop we need. We could get away with laffranchci propping with a james graham but he's our main starting prop and he's not good enough against good teams in the front row.

We are in urgent need of a good halfback and also desperate for a prop and pace in the backs.

Brown got tough job on his hands.

Who agreed the signings? Rush is out of his depth at this level and I think he knows it, was completely wrong to expect him to take over as he did! it's still a long season to go.

I thought Lomax was awful for you. He blew so many overlaps by choosing the wrong pass or by going himself. He is very overated and is never a half back. Stick him at full back, with Wheeler/Hohia and Gaskell at half back and you would be much more threatening in attack imo.

The chairman delivered the players Simmons wanted.

Sure, Shenton, Meli and Wheeler are names which will reverberate for centuries in the memories of Saints fans ....... lol.

Has anyone got a list of half backs OOC at end of current season?

Can we pinch Finch off the pies?

Millward's commentary got me sad thinking about the team of 2004 - crikey we are years of that and that team took some years to build

Ben Jeffries - Bradford
Kyle Briggs - Bradford
Danny Orr - Castleford
Danny Nicklas - Hull FC
Matty Smith - Salford
Tim Smith - Wakefield
Lee Briers - Warrington
Gareth O'Brien - Warrington

That was a depressing performance. We could have attacked for two days without getting the three tries we needed in the second half.

As has been in evidence in all of our close games this year, we don't have any direction from the halves at all. We need a game-controlling half back (someone like Finch) so badly it's embarrassing to watch at times. Our kicking game is dreadful, our decision making is worse and our last tackle play defies description.

I was annoyed by Mike Rush suggesting that our defence was okay. It was poor. Our line speed was nowhere near Wigan's, even after 10 minutes of continuous possession. We were generally passive and looked very fragile on the fringes. The fact is that Wigan only scored 18 points because they had an off day with ball in hand. If Pat Richards had been on the wing instead of Gelling they would have scored at least 12 more.

I don't think it's by any means a genuine solution, but I'd have Gaskell back in the side from here on.

Nope!

Neither team was at it's best today but you'll come good again on that I have no doubts at all

I'd seriously take briers on a one year deal. He's experinced, clever, good kicking and a saints lad.

He'd be great for likes of Gaskell and lomax to Learn off. Wigan did it with deacon and it paid off.