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| reading league express and he was names MOM again by them.
I think its three games on the trot he has been the nominated MOM by Whitehaven.
He is winning these awards from fullback.
Think it might therefore be an option for us, especially next year for us to move Lomax into the halves alongside Walsh and play Swift at fullback.
Would even like to think we would consider it against Wigan.
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| I think we want to keep Lomax at #1 as he's been exceptional in this role against top opposition, but I can't understand why they can't give swift a run at #6, given the people we have played there so far.
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| Tough one. Swift is one of those players who is probably going to be released soon as he'll never tie down a position. He's been played on the wing but never looked comfortable there. If he was any good in the halves, you have to guess he might have been tried there already, given the utter rubbish we've had there (Wellens, Turner etc).
Swift to fullback and Lomax in the halves with Luke Walsh is indeed an option, but a risky one. Could easily come crashing down on us if Lomax suffered another confidence evaporation like he did the last time he had responsibilty in the halves.
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| If we let Adam Swift go he would be snapped up by another SL team. He is showing in the lower leagues he is a standout player and deserves a shot at SL. I'm just not sure why he hasnt been given more of a chance... maybe it's because Brown can't get him to play second row???
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| Quote: Saddened! "Tough one. Swift is one of those players who is probably going to be released soon as he'll never tie down a position. He's been played on the wing but never looked comfortable there. If he was any good in the halves, you have to guess he might have been tried there already, given the utter rubbish we've had there (Wellens, Turner etc).
Swift to fullback and Lomax in the halves with Luke Walsh is indeed an option, but a risky one. Could easily come crashing down on us if Lomax suffered another confidence evaporation like he did the last time he had responsibilty in the halves.'"
Its an odd one. You say he's never looked comfortable on the wing, but his try ratio is fine. He looks ok taking kicks and shows good ability going forward. He's impressed a lot of people in very limited appearences, but yet seems to have been used expremely sparingly - I can only assume the fact he's stayed part time has influenced this.
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| He's been outstanding and is getting better every week. He made a break returning a kick yesterday that turned the game back in our favour when we looked well beaten with 10 minutes to go. I can only see him as a full back in the future as his main strength is coming into the line and he's good at using his speed and step to get on the outside to create overlaps.
All the Saints lads we've had have been really good and the partnership has worked out better than I certainly expected having really not liked the thought of it at first. At least the players we are having are coming in and staying for a run of games and they look like they really want to play for Whitehaven. Swift and Hand have been particularly impressive and Anthony Walker played well yesterday.
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| I think it all hinges on if Adam goes full time. At present he is at his level with other part time players. However the fact he is showing up so well must give him the confidence to give it a go. Meli is leaving so it leaves Ade Tommy and any competition if I was the lad I would be the competition.
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| He's currently goign for a qualification, isnt he?
I would have thought he'll get that as security, then give full time rugby a punt. Then, if it doesn't work out, he can go and get a job in aeronautics.
I think there's more than a dash of star quality about him.
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| Quote: Loz "I think it all hinges on if Adam goes full time. At present he is at his level with other part time players. However the fact he is showing up so well must give him the confidence to give it a go. Meli is leaving so it leaves Ade Tommy and any competition if I was the lad I would be the competition.'"
I think his part time status due to completing his aerospace engineering apprenticeship is the main reason he hasn't had more game time at Saints.
Its certainly a big career choice as a fully qualified aerospace engineer with experience can earn £50-60k a year.
Adam would not be earning that to start with, probably something like £20-30k. However that's still good money and probably more than he would hope to earn as a young SL player breaking into the first team.
Its a case of do you back yourself as someone who can make it big in RL and therefore potentially get a £300k a year NRL deal in a few years time, or do you think your just a solid first team SL player who would earn £30-40k.
IF its the latter then the better career option is to stay in Aerospace engineering and ply your RL trade in the lower leagues as a part time championship player earning probably £10k - £20k to supplement the day job.
Personally think Swift has what it takes to be a top line SL player.
On his limited first team showings he has always looked more dynamic than Makinson which is born out by his strike rate.
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| Quote: Saddened! "Tough one. Swift is one of those players who is probably going to be released soon as he'll never tie down a position. He's been played on the wing but never looked comfortable there. If he was any good in the halves, you have to guess he might have been tried there already, given the utter rubbish we've had there (Wellens, Turner etc).
Swift to fullback and Lomax in the halves with Luke Walsh is indeed an option, but a risky one. Could easily come crashing down on us if Lomax suffered another confidence evaporation like he did the last time he had responsibilty in the halves.'"
I don't know enough about swifty at super league level as he's only played few games but he does look a good prospect.
I like lomax at fullback but I also think he'd make a very good running stand off If he played with a good experienced organising scrum half which Walsh very much is!
If we are going to go down that route, I think we'd have been trying swifty now but we ain't. That suggests to me that swift will either be wing or move on to another club.
I must admit, the thought of swifty, lomax, Walsh, roby and Wilkin could be exciting if all play to potential.
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| I will tell you this though if the lad thinks he has it in him he should go full time. He will always have his trade to fall back on. The chance to be a star at Saints god I wish I was thirty years younger and it was me.
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| I think we will see more of this as the years roll on. SL is a good wage for a few years. But anyone with brains can earn more or similar outside RL and RL only lasts 10 -15 years
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| Quote: bewareshadows "I think we will see more of this as the years roll on. SL is a good wage for a few years. But anyone with brains can earn more or similar outside RL and RL only lasts 10 -15 years'"
Exactly, a decent wage for 10 years may not be enough to convince some guys to give up a career that will last them their whole working life. Especially when he could get a wedge playing semi pro as well as working a day job.
Danny Brough dropped down a level a few years back and stated he could earn more playing part time and working a day job.
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| Quote: Recregoer1 "Anthony Walker played well yesterday.'" Walker has only had a couple of first team games and didn't particulary stand out, until we realised how many tackles he was making.
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| Thinking further on it, perhaps we could move Lomax to #6. It would still give us his running wide, away from the ruck and if Swift can be a star at #1 then our team will be better. That move will also give Lomax a better chance of making the England team, as full back is probably the hardest shirt to get hold of at the moment.
My reservations are two fold -
Lomax has been devastating at #1, would moving him to #6 lessen his contribution - it may possibly appear that way in attack, but perhaps only because you get more space at full back so its a tad easier to look good.
If he is played as a second receiver rather than in the 1st receiver scrum half role, then he should be able to contibrute to his usual high quality.
As the season rumbled on last year, Lomax's decision making in the defensive line was increasingly poor, culminating in some howlers against Warrington in our last game. This may well have been the culmination of a limited coaching hand, but it is the ony negetive I've ever really seen from lomax.
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