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| Take a look at this article by the Wigan Chairman Ian LenaganWE have no problem with the salary cap at all,” the Warriors chairman said.
“I don’t think it should go up. I'M perfectly comfortable with it. WE'RE not having a problem with it.
“Why would I want to pay more money than WE are?'"
It's all about what happens at Wigan: that is such a damaging way to look at situations like this.
Take, for example, the youth re-structuring. Hetherington and Lenagan were quite happy for reform because they were happy to take Hunslet and South Wales. That is something that people are now regretting and the RFL did not want. What a stupid decision that was. Pearson was quite happy to save a bit of cash in this area as well and Lee Radford came out and, rightly, criticised the decision of his club the other week.
I understand that a RL owner is going to be looking at the interests of their own club, but surely it is in the interest of Wigan RFC and Leeds Rhinos to have a great competition? Oh, but it's ok at Wigan so Lenangan couldn't give one about anyone else.
I admire the way he has negotiated deals for all their players that have gone, but on crucial decisions on the sports future he has dropped the ball IMO. Their insular views could kill the game. I know we need more money to come into the sport before any rise is viable, but to completely disregard any notion of a rise is down right stupid and comes across quite arrogant.
I don't know McManus' or Moran's view on the salary cap, so any criticism of them is unjustified. However, they were more than happy to oppose the youth re-structuring from the off and that shows that they do not hold the attitudes of Lenagan and Co.
This is what happens when you allow people who have conflicting interests to vote on matters that are crucial to the future of the sport.
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| It's a none issue. Insufficient numbers of clubs can afford the cap as it is, raising it is simply not possible.
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| Erm aren't there another 12 clubs to vote against anything they propose? and Ian Lenagan is doing a great job at Wigan.
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| Get your facts right,radford had a go at the rl system of getting rid of the old a team matches, not against hull fc
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| Quote: Albion "WE have no problem with the salary cap at all,” the Warriors chairman said.'"
Is this the same chairman that asked for and got permission to break the salary cap so that they could keep hold of Ratface??
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| Dont you think that perhaps this was a response to Dr Koukash's remarks that a salary cap of £1.65m was "crazy"?
At the current amount Dr K can't just go out and buy a new squad.
The DR is mentioned in the full statement anyway!
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| Quote: Father Ted "Dont you think that perhaps this was a response to Dr Koukash's remarks that a salary cap of £1.65m was "crazy"?
At the current amount Dr K can't just go out and buy a new squad.
The DR is mentioned in the full statement anyway!'"
If there was no cap certain clubs, Salford being one would just go out and pay silly unsustainable money for players. They would be the Man City of Superleague which would be great for them until the good Dr got bored or kicked the bucket then they would sink faster than the titanic just as City would do if Monsour (sp?) did a runner.
The previous regime at Wigan would have done exactly the same (as they did before ) but I doubt Pollard would. Saying that no cap or a significant increase would just widen the rich and poor gap even more than it already is and make SL even more boring an predictable
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| Quote: Father Ted "Dont you think that perhaps this was a response to Dr Koukash's remarks that a salary cap of £1.65m was "crazy"?
At the current amount Dr K can't just go out and buy a new squad.
The DR is mentioned in the full statement anyway!'"
Talk's cheap and Dr Koukash certainly seems to like a headline. Mind you appointing Brian Smith as coach would have made one hell of a statement but apparently his wage demands were too much; funny that there's no cap on coaches wages.
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| Quote: Paul Youane "Talk's cheap and Dr Koukash certainly seems to like a headline. Mind you appointing Brian Smith as coach would have made one hell of a statement but apparently his wage demands were too much; funny that there's no cap on coaches wages.'"
To be fair Nobby has a better record than Smith when it comes to winning things
Personally I'm glad he's gone british .
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| Quote: No1 Saint "If there was no cap certain clubs, Salford being one would just go out and pay silly unsustainable money for players. They would be the Man City of Superleague which would be great for them until the good Dr got bored or kicked the bucket then they would sink faster than the titanic just as City would do if Monsour (sp?) did a runner.
The previous regime at Wigan would have done exactly the same (as they did before ) but I doubt Pollard would. Saying that no cap or a significant increase would just widen the rich and poor gap even more than it already is and make SL even more boring an predictable'"
Yes, but if we have rich men wanting to throw money at our game, we shouldn't be stopping them.
Clubs should have a cap to keep them safe, but if someone like the doctor could personally guarantee / finance contracts in excess of the cap, then why should we stop them? It would certainly help keep our lads in our game.
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| Quote: Father Ted "Dont you think that perhaps this was a response to Dr Koukash's remarks that a salary cap of £1.65m was "crazy"?
At the current amount Dr K can't just go out and buy a new squad.
The DR is mentioned in the full statement anyway!'"
Sadly it appears Dr K has not taken the time to understand the salary cap. The actual figure £1.85M. An extra £200K may be added by clubs with players with 10 yrs plus service + producing a number of international players. It just so happens salford rate poorly in those areas. i am sure that if Dr K is patient and invests extensively in youth development then in 5/6 years he will have a higher cap.
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| Quote: Saddened! "It's a none issue. Insufficient numbers of clubs can afford the cap as it is, raising it is simply not possible.'"
I do say that it probably isn't viable at this stage, but my point was that he seemed to be ruling it out all together.
Quote: Saddened! "Erm aren't there another 12 clubs to vote against anything they propose? and Ian Lenagan is doing a great job at Wigan.'"
But these two clubs are probably the leading clubs in SL right now and if they do not want change then why will the others? If these two aren't bothered about the implications of the Super League effectively being a departure lounge, then who will be?
Ian Lenagan may well be doing a great job for Wigan (I think I acknowledge this in the OP), but he won't be able to do that job if there is no more SL FT, will he?
Quote: Saddened! "Get your facts right,radford had a go at the rl system of getting rid of the old a team matches, not against hull fc'"
I have got my facts right thanks. Hull FC voted FOR the changes, so in effect, he was having a go at his club's DECISION to vote FOR the changes.
Quote: Saddened! "Dont you think that perhaps this was a response to Dr Koukash's remarks that a salary cap of £1.65m was "crazy"?
At the current amount Dr K can't just go out and buy a new squad.
The DR is mentioned in the full statement anyway!'"
Possibly that was the prompt, but if you read the quotes from Lenagan he is making a point that because Wigan are alright the cap can stay where it is.
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| The only justification for raising the cap would be if all clubs were spending it and had revenue to spare. That's not the case. For a competition in which one or two rich clubs spend far more than the rest, see the early 90's Wigan domination. That was fun. Not.
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| Quote: Roy Haggerty "The only justification for raising the cap would be if all clubs were spending it and had revenue to spare. That's not the case. For a competition in which one or two rich clubs spend far more than the rest, see the early 90's Wigan domination. That was fun. Not.'"
Nail hit.
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| Most Club Chairman are as bad as each other, they are far too Parochial as are some loud mouthed players in the media, who think more money for us! note no mention of Mr McManus which side of the fence is he on?
Rugby League is going backwards not forward! calls for less teams in Super League, what will that produce more money for each club, they think! and back to playing each other 3 or 4 times a season, relegation & promotion, people claim the excitement of the Premiership & Championship last week in football, yes the likes of Leeds United & Wolves, once great clubs who never may be again! as it is all down to money! and if football can't pay it's way Rugby League Never Will!
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