I don't know if it's just me being me, but I just can't seem to like this team. I can't seem to like Langtree Park either, the lack of atmosphere makes watching Saints a chore rather than the pleasure/religion it used to be at Knowsley Road.

In terms of quality this side is incredibly average. We've debated it on here and we don't need to go over it again. Anyone can see we're desperate for a half back and have a pack of babies. I don't need to moan again about how much of a waste of air Anthony Laffranchi is.

The whole club just seems so devoid of character and soul at the moment. The ground doesn't help as most games are played in near silence. But on the field there are no characters, no leaders, no one busting a good and making you proud. There is none of the personality we used to have in bucketloads or the never say die attitude we used to be famous for. When we scored with 6 or 7 minutes to go, to get within 2 scores, the belief wasn't there, people were still streaming out. At KR, you'd have had that belief, the place would have been buzzing. I can't remember the last time Saints made me proud, made me excited or made me want to support them. Has there ever been a Saints side with such little belief and enthusiasm?

Typical saddened and all that.....but tonight was dull. The last time I enjoyed a match at Langtree was probably, ironically, the Leeds game last season. Can't think of another memorable performance or atmosphere.

We seem to be a completely different team at Langtree park.

It's not the stadium. It's the fact that in the last twenty years at Knowsley Road, we had at halfback people including Tommy Martyn, Bobby Goulding, Sean Long, Leon Pryce and Paul Sculthorpe. While we had at centre people like Jamie Lyon, Paul Newlove, Matt Gidley and Kevin Iro.

If we had just one halfback, or one centre, of the quality of those guys, then I promise you that Langtree Park would be hosting all the excitement and entertainment that Knowsley Road did.

We obviously lack quality in the backs, we have no half backs and we're short of bruisers up front who will run through brick walls for the side; in the mould of Fozzard and Graham. But the most important thing we lack is leadership. We don't have a captain in the whole squad. Wilkin is the only one who really talks and he isn't captain material IMO. We no longer have a Scully, Graham, Long or a Cunningham to drive us forward and inspire the rest of the team.

The wholeplace feels like it's lost its character and it does have that soulless feeling about it. I very rarely enjoy watching Saints these days and I think its pure loyalty that is keeping me going rather thn actual enjoyment.

It's just because we aren't winning as well as we have in the past. As soon as winning returns this superstitious nonsense will stop.

Things are going to get worse before they get better. I thought at the start of this season Nathan Brown has a complete rebuilding job on his hands in year one and possibly year two. We have lost some World Class players over the last few years and they havent been replaced with good enough quality to see us challenging for major honours. In many ways in 2011 we punched way above our weight mainly due to the fact that James Graham was a exceptional leader and had a never say die attitude. Could you see any of the current Saints playing roster laying into the side like Graham did when we lost at Wigan on Good Friday in 2011? Losing Jammer was the straw what broke the camals back and we look a very ordinary side without him. Our recruitment policy has been woeful over the last few years and the signings of Josh Perry and Anthony Laffranchi have been very poor indeed. Willie Manu and Jordan Turner havent exactly set the world alight with there performances this year eithier.

Nathan Brown has nothing short of a huge job on his hands and its going to take a hell of a lot of time. This isnt an overnight fix. The reality of it is we have no Half Backs and our forwards with the exception of Roby and Soliola just arent up too it. Recruitment is the key for future success because the likes of Percival, Greenwood, Walmsley, Jones, Lomax and Gaskell have all showed glimpses of the potential they have. We need experience, players who have been around the block who can accept a few challenges.

I have to agree. There is a complete lack of enthusiasm from the ground up. I attended one the clubs theme Christmas party nights. It was advertised as a Vegas casino extravaganza, if a blackjack and roulette table bought from toys r us and a fake flame machine in an otherwise bland drab room is an extravaganza in the eyes of the clubs management then no wonder our performances on the field are showing less character than an episode of Eldarado! Building a winning mentality like we had a few years ago at KR takes every member of staff involved with the club to buy into it and promote the club at every opportunity not stand behind the shop counter moaning about the place. The management seem to think of the stadium as our greatest success which bin part is true but without the heart of a club beating inside it, it is just steel and concrete, drab and boring! I think what I'm trying to say is that there is a lack if team spirit, our performances aren't too far off the difference between us, wigan Leeds and Warrington is that they seem to want to play for each other???

I'm also not a fan of Langtree Park. The atmosphere is dead. It looks like a half finished stadium.

Not keen on the team (not enough quality) or the stadium (no atmosphere).

You can also buy out of date chocolate there. I managed to get the whole of the chocolate counter cleared out last night in the Wide to West as I realised when I opened my bar and bits fell off it that the chocolate was stale - was looking peeky - and on reading the sell by date it was a week past. So I took it back, hoping for an exchange, but it turned out the whole lot of chocolate was out of date.

On top of that there were no prices on show - the red board had been ripped down (bits of it were still stuck up) and the screens weren't working. Hardly any pints had been pulled and the fast lane wasn't open.

Saints have serious match day management issues and it is a real shame. In fact, they appear to have gone backwards from last season.

It's much improved at the bar we use in the middle of the North stand - plenty of pulled pints and some decent local hotpots. Much better than those awful, awful p pies.

I,ve supported Saints for a very, very, very long time win or lose. This could be my last year as a regular supporter, this seasons team is very un saints like and its difficult to associate with it. As for Langtree its good for the future but its no fortress, it leaks like a sieve in more ways than one.
Might start to watch the amateur game a bit more.

I was actually bored yesterday except the last 15mins and maybe the first 10. Why was the pitch so Odsal-style sticky? Our moves are so slow and preditable. Only TP's offload excited me and the Percival breaks.

What is more depreessing is that Widnes are far more entertaining than us.

FLynn/Hanbury/Kevin Brown? Surely we should be looking to pick people up of this calibre. All would make a difference to our team. 1st two wouldn;t have cost that much surely.

Exactly how I feel. I really enjoyed the WCC and the Widnes game tonight, so it's not just apathy towards the sport, I just really can't connect with this Saints team.

I came back up north the other day. Havnt been to a game for ages.
I went the other night and felt exactly the same.

The Leeds game last year was the only decent game because saints where so poor then where great to watch that day just because everyone turned up and put the effort in.

Saints area boring team to watch now, Langtree Park lacks the atmosphere because of it.
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