Tonight showed what I've been saying all year, we are in urgent news of a prop and stand off.

Laffranchi isn't a out and out prop and struggles against big aggressive forwards. He's just not big and physical enough in these big games. He holds his own most weeks and I wouldn't mind him playing prop next year but we 100% need a big aggressive meter making prop.

Lance built are hopes up over the last two games but he was back to his old self. Shocking kicking game, to slow on the ball, rubbish little show and go that didn't work but worst of all, he's not got a rugby brain (neither as lomax).

Until we sign a good prop and good stand off we will continue to be nearly men and will be knocking around 3rd, 4th and 5th spot.

We've got a decent stand off playing in the reserves. Well, at least he can kick, something which was embarrassing tonight.

I saw Wilkin warming up kicking bombs, mostof them went behind him so I should have seen it coming really.

This year watching Saints I've seen some of the worst kicking I've ever seen.

The whole team is a bit of a joke. How did we ever end up here? How come no one at the club spotted what we were talking about on here and did anything about it?

We do need a prop and stand off, but then we also need a winger, two centres, a fullback and a better bench. We're miles off.

Miles off????

We do need all them postions but we ain't going to get them. I think a prop and stand off is a must next year.

And the frustrating thing is it hasn't got any better as the season has gone on. Wilkin's bombs more often than not go behind him because he connects with the ball past 90 degrees, Hohaia plays aussie rules with the full back and winger and Lomax doesn't drive the ball he floats it. I often wonder if the staff actually spend and time working on this with the players because it's the same week in week out. Kicking is vital in rugby and it's a skill that is so obviously lacking in this saints side.

What did everyone make of our captain tonight? Am I the only one who can see how utterly shocking he is? How the feck is he even in the side let alone captaining it? He has the worst, most defeatist and negative body language of any supposed leader ever. His performances are a joke and yet he's in the press telling us how delighted he is with his form and his contract discussions. Utterly terrible tonight again, adds absolutely nothing to the side, we may as well play with 12. Compare and contrast his contribution as Captain to Jammer's.

What Saints need, as well as half a squad, is a leader. I'd say it's the most important of the requirements at the moment, we are so lacking in spirit and commitment.

Yeah, I'd say so. Wigan and Warrington have an extra gear they can move into that we simply can't live with. The squad players and the young players we have do not have any star potential, so it's not like we've got a queue forming to take the shirts off players that leave and we've not replaced Wellens, Lyon, Albert, Sculthorpe, Long or Cunningham yet. With every season we see another dip in quality. We're just lucky in a way that the whole competition is being forced into decline by the economy and the rise of the NRL. This is easily the weakest Saints squad we've had in 20 years and it's not got the mentality, the never say die attitude anymore and we've not got enough quality.

Troll

.....but we are third.

Kinda agree with Sadenned here. We're doing OK, but we are miles off Wigan and Warrington, as it stands at this current moment.

This time last year we were also miles off them.

How did their play off runs go?

No worse than our's ultimately. And don't even suggest us reaching another Grand Final, just don't mention it. I couldn't take it.