Can't wait. If you offered me a sub-20 point defeat now I'd willingly take it.

This season has been one of total and utter frustration. We've got the potential there to be a cracking side. If we got everyone fit, Leon playing well etc, we could have won something this year but just about everything that could possibly go against us does. Injuries, suspensions, video referee decisions etc.

It was always going to be tough this year, playing at Widnes and without KC, but it's been hellishly frustrating. So many little glimpses of positivity but this isn't our year. Roll on 2012. Over to you Eammon, get some signings made...

It'll be an interesting game for sure!

Saints are the type of team though who could turn it all around and actually beat Wire next week.

very true, here's hoping

Saints this year have 1 point out of 10 from games against Wigan, Warrington and Huddersfield so far.

I see no reason to suspect that trend will be bucked next week.

I'm sure the Saints of old would have done. But we're not what we used to be. The magic has gone for me. We're a decent team but no more. There is a big rebuilding effort to be done before we're in the hunt again.

I'm not sure why everyone is so shocked really, 4th is pretty much were I figured we would be on average this year, and thats as we are at the moment.

We got beat, probably a good chance of getting beat next week too, but the squad we have has plenty of young people playing and i've no problem with our position.

I wouldn't say many were shocked. Frustrated and disappointed is more where I feel. There is great potential in the team but they are so naive and lacking in ruthlessness and aggression. Man for man Wigan aren't much better than us, but they play with such a team spirit and aggression that we totally lack. I don't mind kids being kids and making mistakes, like Mackinson jumping past Roberts rather than trying to stop him, but it was a horrible showing.

We could absolutely blitz Warrington next week. It just depends on how embarrassed our players are by their collective performance tonight. We could have beaten Wigan tonight had we been able to hold on to the ball. Wigan are always available at some point during the second half. We started the comeback but kept dropping the ball. And mostly it is the senior players who are making the big cockups.

I'm not convinced they've got it in them at the moment. With Pryce back potentially, but Wire will attack us in defense just like Wigan did. If anything they're better at that than Wigan themselves.

We miss Scott Moore's aggression in attack. We miss Pryce's experience. We miss Wheeler's natural ability. We miss Wello's mojo of his season prior to the heel injury that took him off at the DW. He hasn't been the same since.

If Wello's mojo returns he will slip back into third halfback to help out our desperately inexperienced halves who will soon start to lose confidence unless our senior players start to man up. If that happens then we have a creative chance, although we need to pass to the right as well as the left. Most of all, though, we need our forwards to stop being either babies or lazy a r s e s because they let us down tonight. On top of all that, we need to work on our defence again, which is just not reliable. But I think that is partly a reflection of the attitude we are struggling with this season. We cave in. I don't like that and I've mentioned it before. It's not the attitude of a silverware winning side anyway. We actually looked a more determined side with the youngsters in it.

You didn't even go to the game did you?

Shameful.

Read the post I quoted.

Roberts didn't play. You meant Richards.