He was picked out by most fans, me included, as having a shocker on Good Friday and some people have called for him to be dropped. Quite a candid admission by him here that he has been poor in the last couple of games: www1.skysports.com/rugby-leag...back-from-loss

He was picked out by most fans, me included, as having a shocker on Good Friday and some people have called for him to be dropped. Quite a candid admission by him here that he has been poor in the last couple of games: www1.skysports.com/rugby-leag...back-from-loss

Fair play to him.

He's right though, he was rank against Wigan!

Have to say it's nice to hear that.

I would not drop him as I do think last year he earned enough in the credit balance to cut him a bit of slack as everyone has off period in their career.

But the fact he has recognised this is good. Also nice to hear him talking about the bubble not being burst.

The fact that Turner is accepted by most on here as being good enough for the long term in our starting lineup shows how far we've fallen. I've never rated him, he got his contract with us by scoring a length of the field try for Hull at Langtree Park and he's never come close to repeating it. For a man with the athleticisim Turner has, he carries so little threat. He never beats a man or outpaces a backline, I can't remember ever seeing him having a good gallop in a Saints shirt. He's not without any talent, we've seen a couple of good passes to his winger over his time at Saints.

He also seems to have improved that goose step thing he used to do. That was farcical and thankfully he's reduced the amount of time he spends doing that.

But the major problem with him is his lack of defensive capability. He's a massive weakness.

Agreed. Much more likely to kick for Makinson than take on the line.

a) how would you remove him from the squad?
b) who would you replace him with?

I like turner - but he's had a few stinkers since returning from injury. He's recognised that, put his hand up, but now he has to perform. On form he's as good as any (bar Watkins) in the league, but his range of performance is much broader than most, because when he's not he's one of the worst!

Good to see that he's acknowledged it and is prepared to put his thoughts out there. Next step is to do it on Sunday.

I think Turner is a decent centre personally. He's not Matt Gidley or Jamie Lyon but few are. I think he's improved throughout his time at Saints and this season he's starting to show some nice touches in the centre position. Tommy Makinson is scoring regularly out side him. Sometimes I wish he'd back himself a bit more though but as I say, his winger is scoring plenty of tries.

Defensively he's been poor of late and that was an issue at times last season. As a team though we defended very well early on in the season. Against Salford he was up against Gareth Hock and did well. It's probably against the more structured teams where he struggles because he does have a habit of misreading plays. I'm hoping that the defensive side of his game will improve as time goes on but we'll have to wait and see.

He's the best right centre we have and hopefully he can continue to learn and build.

Good post.

I was only saying the other day that he needs to back himself a little more. He's big and fast enough to break the like if he applied himself a little more.

Turner is a player who essentially sums up the "not playing his weight" concept. He's a very, very big man, and athletic too. With his size and speed, he should be making busts frequently, but as others have said, he rarely breaches the line.

He does have a good offload out of the tackle, though, which accounts for much of Makinson's tally. But I see him as an average centre overall. I think Percival and Jones offer more in attack, and are no worse in defence.

I certainly disagree with the assertion that on his day he's as good as any in the league. I think there are quite a few centres better than Turner. Sadly, none are available as far as I know.

We had a solid centre in Shenton and look @ him now at Cas. Granted he got a bad injury and his confidence seemed to suffer. Short sighted from saints?

Some people just don't fit though.

Shenton never really hit the heights he did at Cas.

Absolutely. We should definitely have kept him. He was playing well towards the end and played very well in the Grand Final. His injury was unfortunate but his lack of success at Saints was due largely to the general mess that was our side in those days.

Shenton was the finished article who didn,t get any service from the halves. Turner is very much Work in Progress and has loads of potentional.
I reckon if you asked Miracleson who he would prefer, in my opinion he would say Turner, another 1 or 2 years development and thses two will be a great partnership.

On the other side Percival and Swift have great footwork and are similar in needing 1 or 2 seasons of progression.

We will have one of the best 1,2,3,4 and 5 in superleague shortly and. i think Turner should be part of it.

(On paper)