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| Quote: Saint Simon "There's 2 views on this,
1. He's a cancer on our sport and the fact our main broadcaster employs his brother in its RL coverage is a farce
2. He's a good agent doing a good job for his clients who have a very limited time to earn a lifetimes wage.
Both are true, but my personal thoughts are Phil Clarke should either show his loyalty to the sport and condemn his brothers actions or resign his position'"
Phil Clarke is a director and equal shareholder in Outside Sport Ltd - the agency representing Solomona - therefore he is equally culpable to his brother in this situation.
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| I'm with Saddened.
Sports contracts are not the same as standard employment contracts. Players want clubs to sign them up long term when it suits them. That's understandable since it provides a guaranteed income (including if they get injured) for its duration. That means long-term contracts have real value to players. If these are challenged in court and its found that there should be no penalty for walking away from a contract a player was apparently happy to sign at the time, then why on earth should clubs offer anything other than short-term contracts to any player?
In the end it would help a few players jump ship for more money, but hurt the sport as a whole and the players in aggregate.
I also don't quite understand the RFU's stance on this. They have very similar contracts, to which the same laws apply. If you can challenge a player jumping ship on the basis of moving to another sport, how long will it take before a player challenges a club and sport's ability to stop them signing for any other club in the same sport at the drop of a hat? Even if that weren't the case, can you imagine the outcry if a bunch of England RU internationals decided to do a Hayne and try the NFL, missing seasons in the process?
It may suit RU now because they are the ones doing the poaching, but that may not always be the case.
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| Quote: jaybs "Not convinced saying not your statement is sufficient, no one has evidence that Clarke encouraged, going to be an interesting day in court, If it reaches that stage, Castleford need to look closely at what they are doing. I wonder if any clubs in League encourage players to try move on?
Sport has moved on a lot, and no better examples that football, really what is a contract worth these days? if a player wants to leave he will and sadly ££££ comes first, not sure why some of the salaries that premiership football players are on.
I defend no one in this case, but I tread careful where there are serious allegations.'"
People are forever repeating this 'contracts mean nothing' mantra, but it simply isn't true. Yes, it's true that a contract no longer ensures, in practice, that a player will stay with a club for the agreed period. But what it does ensure is that if a player insists on leaving then the club is in a position to be financially compensated when he moves. Likewise, a club may, as you say, encourage a contracted player to move on, but the contract means that this player will be in a position to negotiate a healthy severance fee.
Contracts are not meaningless, but Clarke, Diamond and Solomona are currently engaged in an attempt to make them meaningless.
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| Quote: Dux " Contracts are not meaningless, but Clarke, Diamond and Solomona are currently engaged in an attempt to make them meaningless.'"
At the end of the day both clubs will come to some form of agreement, though after excessive money has been spent in courts and as ever the legal industry making more than anyone out of it, I'm not convinced that if their be a settlement it will be anything like being mentioned, that is life.
Feel and it has been said before you need to tread careful, even on social media, about claims which can be seen as libel, once in the public arena, even if deleted it will still be there in some form, I would tread most careful with flippant comments without clear evidence.
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| Quote: jaybs "At the end of the day both clubs will come to some form of agreement, though after excessive money has been spent in courts and as ever the legal industry making more than anyone out of it, I'm not convinced that if their be a settlement it will be anything like being mentioned, that is life.
Feel and it has been said before you need to tread careful, even on social media, about claims which can be seen as libel, once in the public arena, even if deleted it will still be there in some form, I would tread most careful with flippant comments without clear evidence.'"
Fair enough, and point taken. I am, of course, only expressing my view of what seems to be the case based on the information that is in the public domain, and should have made that clearer.
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| my understanding is that to deal with RL clubs agents must be licensed by the RFL, simply don't renew the licence.
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