I'm not sure what point you are trying to make Brian?

All I said was we should have appealed but decided not to follow it through and then put out an angry statement in what looks like a fit of pique.
Both were really bad decisions in my view.

What this has got to do smoke and mirrors is beyond my comprehension - they were just bad decisions - end of.

With regards to McManus's financial statements, if you want to get into a discussion about how a lot worse wigan's financial situation is than St Helen's then please let me know - I have both sets of accounts and I am a banker (spelled with a B and not a W).
Just as an opener; guess which club is which? - one has very large net assets and is not reliant on the directors' support and the other is insolvent and relies on a certain Mr Ian Lenagan of Oxfordshire to keep lending it money to stay afloat.
Guess also which club laughingly still treats player's contracts as "assets" ?

I'm sure you know the answers to these questions and more.

Don't disagree! my point was when you stand firm, when the RFL allow someone highly regarded from the media to see how the disciplinary works, only one club objects that they do not want him present? that is not being open.

For far too long our game thrives from Red Hall that all is fine & we are the greatest game, I have been accused so many times about my views on Nigel Wood, I'm not really sure what he does, and his club record before joining the RFL was not that good. It saddened me to see the empty seats at Wembley yesterday, back to the 61 final and I was then just a kid in the crowd, 66, 72 etc it was difficult to get tickets, but now we can't sell out Wembley for two top clubs? but RU can get as many if not more for a club game there?

Think you are giving McManus too much credit there, discussions have been going on for a while for one media person to see how the system works, it looks a little silly for one club who are making noises about the system to say no? I am just looking at it having worked in media since leaving school.

We will have to agree to disagree Judder lol

R.U. Supporters tend to be better off financially than R.L supporters.

Perhaps so, but it is not always the case now with modern RU, are American Football supporters all better off financially as well? they fill stadium.

Pubs are closing in the North in St Helens every year pubs used to book Wembley trips at the start of the season, not bothering who was in the final, it was a day or weekend away, have those days gone? away support in Super League is not the same as it used to be, TV does not help, more so when games are moved at the last minute.

Sorry we seem to have really gone off thread! this should be about Luke Walsh.