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Because he's only a kid, who's confidence is clearly shot to pieces and he knows the Saints fans are not fond of him. Having proper leaders on the pitch raises performance levels. In our most successful seasons we had several leaders and any kid coming into the team would have an arm round them and a few words of encouragement (or a rollicking). Who does that now in this team?? Who's the leader??? You can't tell me that it wouldn't make any difference.
I know by your posts that you have an issue with the size of the young lads but I don't think that's the issue.
Lomax- Always injured, not a leader
Makinson- not a leader
Turner- not a leader, can't even tackle
Percival- a kid
Swift- a kid
Fages- a kid
Walsh- organiser but not a leader
Walmsley- workhorse but not a leader
Roby- leads by example
Amor- workhorse but not a leader
Vea- not a leader, injured lots.
Wilkin- a talker but gets bogged down
LMS- they don't take him seriously
Tasi- not a leader, does nowt.
Richards- plodder, not a leader
Savelio- is a kid and the coach won't even pick him
Thompson- works hard but is a kid
Peyroux- not a leader
Greenwood- a kid
Dawson- hahaha
Owens- a kid
McDonnell- not a leader
Knowles- a kid
It's late and I've had a drink so apologies for the sloppy post, but in all seriousness, this is a really young team and there's no real leaders!!! Leeds had leaders and lost them at the end of last season and look at the state of them now. It makes a huge difference.
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| Quote: tigertot "Christ, that is young.'"
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Mugwump mocking mental illness for a second time -
"You are mentally ill and I can't indulge your madness any more"
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| Quote: jaybs "I see assistant coach Jamahl Lolesi did the press conference after the match, blamed it on missing a few players and being down on confidence, when asked about Cunningham, his response is he was with Theo??'"
I noticed this and it's clear KC didn't want to face the music. Saying he's with Theo is poor excuse.
He's feeling the pressure now by looks of it. A loss next week and I think he will stand down |
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I have followed the LONDON CLUB since I was in my teensl even though born in St Helens and still live nearby and went to the first game at Fulham, also Big West Ham Supporter:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_1649.jpg |
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| Quote: St pete " A loss next week and I think he will stand down'"
Personally I just can't see that happening! and where is McManus, no comment from him on what is going on, feel for the loyal fans who travelled yesterday. |
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How things have changed:
THEN:
Best unbeaten run in Super League Apr 6th 2008 - Sep 5th 2008 17 Matches
NOW:
Longest winless run in Super League May 13th 2016 - Jun 11th 2016 4 Matches
Sadly TBH I've become acclimatised or conditioned to accepting the tripe being served up to us, on and off the pitch.
It's a bit like bereavement : Anger then Grieving followed by Acceptance. I guess I'm getting to the acceptance stage where I know nothing I say or think will change anything.
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| Quote: saint at wire "How things have changed
Agree with that, you can become conditioned to it when its served up consistently. We at Hull FC never hit your heights of the mid 2000s and that great side of yours, but we did win the CCF in 05, and you beat us in the 06 GF and the 08 CCF.
We thought we were going to re-join the top table after 05 and 06 but then Mr Agar became our coach and the performances were consistently below average.
Just when we thought he'd shown the door he'd win a couple and save his bacon. This went on and on.
He was Coach in 08 versus yourselves at Wembley, but we knew it was just papering over the cracks of demoralisation for the Faithfull. Gates of 14/15K dropped to 10K and even with recent good performances this year its really hard to get those demoralised supporters back.
It looks like you may be for the first time in a very long time courting mediocrity. The time to get out of it is NOW before it does become the norm.
We thought our great years late 70s to mid 80s with Knocker, Sterling, Leuluai, Skerrett, Ah Kuoi, Evans, Schofield Crooks etc etc would last forever. Alas it ended all to soon and we just never got it back. Flirtation with success kept our interests high but the depressing Agar years nearly broke the Club because it was close to breaking the resolve of the fans.
I kept my season ticket throughout all those difficult times, but I too was starting to question my loyalties. The arrival of Adam Pearson at Hull FC and his obvious determination and actions to create a winning set-up persuaded me to stay. I'm so glad now of course.
Could I go through the same again ?? I don't think so. Having the right coach is key to knocking on the trophy door and thats all we all want.
But... having the wrong coach for too long can create real damage that can take a decade for even top sides to recover from. We know. and to be honest we still can't quite believe we have what we, at last, have. We hope on hope that it lasts
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