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| Quote Saddened!="Saddened!"I held off posting last night as every sentence I could come up with featured words ending in 'king' and 'ite'. Last night was simply woeful, as in worst I've ever seen in 35 years woeful. Another lifeless, throwaway performance from a group of players who clearly want their coach sacked and have absolutely no pride in themselves, their teammates or the club. The similarities with the situation at Everton are there for all to see. Unhappy fans, unhappy players, a deluded coach making a complete mockery of himself in interviews and results showing the mess the club is in. How McManus has managed to reach Saturday evening without sacking everyone at the club is beyond me. If there is any intention to make the club a success, Cunningham has to be gone by Monday. If he's allowed to once again insult the club's fans and talk rubbish in interviews after his players delivered another limp performance the club really is in trouble.
But what annoys me the most is something different. It's not Alex Walmsley's body language or efforts in games, it's not the prospect of the worst player in SL getting a contract extension with us, it's the fans. The move from Knowsley Road to the Library killed the very soul of the club and this manifests itself most in the support, or lack of it. I've never known a sporting venue to be so devoid of spirit and passion. If we'd put in a string of performances like we have this season, there would have been sit-ins, riots, mass season ticket burnings and proper sack the board chants. All that happened last night was a few half hearted boos when KC came on the big screen. It seriously wouldn't surprise me if McManus had absolutely no idea of how unhappy everyone is with the club as the fans are so silent. McManus is going to be able to get away with it, people just won't make enough noise to force the change. It wouldn't surprise me if we're in Bradford's position in 2 years time and no one associated with the club could feel hard done to.'"
Hang on ... weren't you praising the club's turnaround in attacking play not five weeks ago? 
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| all of the people I go to games with have decided they won't be renewing if things don't change quickly. the scary thing is how many fans will be thinking the same. Eamon may be in for a shock if he's relying on our 'loyalty'.
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| Quote JonB95="JonB95"all of the people I go to games with have decided they won't be renewing if things don't change quickly. the scary thing is how many fans will be thinking the same. Eamon may be in for a shock if he's relying on our 'loyalty'.'"
Hence the rumours of signings today. Whether true or not, it's clear the club are trying their best to deflect the attention away from KC and into a positive light with the club linked to multiple players.
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| Quote Saddened!="Saddened!"Hence the rumours of signings today. Whether true or not, it's clear the club are trying their best to deflect the attention away from KC and into a positive light with the club linked to multiple players.'"
Its a bit late now, damage is already done.
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| Quote Judder Man="Judder Man"Its a bit late now, damage is already done.'"
It's not though. There are still a lot of fans who actually believe KC that the results recently are down to bad luck and cheating from the referees. A couple of signings would see an awful lot of people roped in. You can see them on here posting team lineups, claiming we're looking great for next season.
It'll be interesting to see how todays rumours pan out. It'd be even more interesting to find out who sourced the signing, although I doubt we ever will. Is it KC's last roll of the dice or something one of the other cronies have suggested?
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| Quote Saddened!="Saddened!"It's not though. There are still a lot of fans who actually believe KC that the results recently are down to bad luck and cheating from the referees. A couple of signings would see an awful lot of people roped in. You can see them on here posting team lineups, claiming we're looking great for next season.
It'll be interesting to see how todays rumours pan out. It'd be even more interesting to find out who sourced the signing, although I doubt we ever will. Is it KC's last roll of the dice or something one of the other cronies have suggested?'"
I think its more with McManus and Rush finding themselves in a predicament of there own making, it was always going to be a high risk throwing KC into the coaching deep end without any forward alternative strategy. Instead they put the club at further risk by giving him an extended contract without any real quality signings to take the pressure off him.
Don't think they can be critical of him this season (in public anyway) with the scheduled Hall of Fame making things a bit awkward, the "old boy network" of Scully, Long, Wellens might have been a good idea at the time to provide the winning mentality and experience but it seems to have had the opposition effect and everything is a mess. I,m not sure what Scully brings to the table, Long one of our worst defending players was put in charge of defence, Wellens is performance coach but he waves is arms up and down the touchline.
We have a very messy club image at the moment and its not going to take one season to rectify it.
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| Quote Saddened!="Saddened!"It's not though. There are still a lot of fans who actually believe KC that the results recently are down to bad luck and cheating from the referees.'"
Well IF that is True your last comment! highlighted, I do feel SAD!
No sympathy for coaches also who moan when they loose, respect Powell so highly as a coach, but his whining is a little too much.
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| Quote Saddened!="Saddened!"It's not though. There are still a lot of fans who actually believe KC that the results recently are down to bad luck and cheating from the referees. A couple of signings would see an awful lot of people roped in. You can see them on here posting team lineups, claiming we're looking great for next season.
It'll be interesting to see how todays rumours pan out. It'd be even more interesting to find out who sourced the signing, although I doubt we ever will. Is it KC's last roll of the dice or something one of the other cronies have suggested?'"
It's embrassing seeing these line ups for next year with players we ain't even signed. Seen one yesterday with symonds in it and thought who the hell is he.
Another classic on here is the old "we don't need to replace this player as we have 19yr old kid who played 5 games in super league ". I remember when Jamie Lyon was leaving and fans was saying tyrer is good enough to step in. We didn't need to replace Chris Joynt as we had Matty Ashurst etc.
KC imo can still turn it around but not this year and next year we need to do whst Hull did and bring in 5/6 quality players and let the dead wood go.
Just to keep up wirh our teams for next year, here is mine
1) lomax/new fullback
2) new winger
3) new centre
4) Percival
5) Swift
6) fages
7) new scrum half
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9)Roby
10) new prop
11) new 2nd row
12) new 2nd row
13) new loose
14) amor
15) Knowles
16)new prop
17) new utility
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| Quote Saddened!="Saddened!"It's not though. There are still a lot of fans who actually believe KC that the results recently are down to bad luck and[u cheating from the referees. [/uA couple of signings would see an awful lot of people roped in. You can see them on here posting team lineups, claiming we're looking great for next season.
It'll be interesting to see how todays rumours pan out. It'd be even more interesting to find out who sourced the signing, although I doubt we ever will. Is it KC's last roll of the dice or something one of the other cronies have suggested?'"
I would like to ask these fans you speak of, why, why would referees cheat? I've read a lot of this over the last few weeks. Referees are bias to one side or another, but WHY would they! Make mistakes, yes I can agree with that, but to purposely cheat in favour of one side or another, I would ask again why?

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| Quote pies-r-us="pies-r-us"I would like to ask these fans you speak of, why, why would referees cheat? I've read a lot of this over the last few weeks. Referees are bias to one side or another, but WHY would they! Make mistakes, yes I can agree with that, but to purposely cheat in favour of one side or another, I would ask again why?
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I don't think they deliberately anti any team but sometimes they let certain things go but then don't for the opposition and it gets players, coaches and fans backs up.
They need to be consistent and they are not.
One of the worst refs I've ever seen is Robert Hicks. He Spoils tbe first 15 mins of every game with constant pens
The first 15 mins is when players are fired up and we see some good hard tackling but Hicks takes this away from the game.
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| Quote St pete="St pete"I don't think they deliberately anti any team but sometimes they let certain things go but then don't for the opposition and it gets players, coaches and fans backs up.
They need to be consistent and they are not.
One of the worst refs I've ever seen is Robert Hicks. He Spoils tbe first 15 mins of every game with constant pens
The first 15 mins is when players are fired up and we see some good hard tackling but Hicks takes this away from the game.'"
This, pretty much. I think also, each ref has their own " pet hates", whether ruck speed, offside, forward passes, whatever, and we see these offences policed differently by different refs (consistency, as you point out). I know most coaches emphasise this in pre-match planning, warning their players that this weeks ref is hard or lenient in certain areas. This might appear as bias if a ref is known to allow slow rucks, say, which a particular team might base their game on more than their opponents do.
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