Wilkin shouldn't be anywhere near playing first choice yet he's captain. This simple statement confirms what a mess we're in

Daniel Anderson was successful at Saints in 06 with the best side that we have ever had. He failed to win the GF the following year with anther excellent Saints side. I see no reason to think that he would be successful with the current crop of players, he has been pretty anonymous in all of his other appointments, other than a brief successful spell at Auckland prior to them sacking him.

How have bradford managed to employ rohan smith if these are the rules?

Anderson put defensive structures in place at saints and prior to coming here was renowned for developing young players. Our attack was very much the quality of players we managed to accrue to form a formidable team.

The bedrock of a good successful teams we know is solid defence, in 2006 Anderson finally saw his rewards and I remember quite well in certain defensive sets the opposition actually made negative progress, what's alarming is that Cunningham, Long, Wellens and Sculthorpe knew how these structures worked but we have not appeared to emulate it into the present game.

KC likes his team to win the "middle" which in attack means we don't get the ball away from the ruck area until the 4th tackle, in defence his "middle" is too compact and slow so the opposition quickly go out wide forcing us into a sliding defence and expose one on one situations which we are pretty abysmal at.

Also whoever is our defensive coach (supposingly Sean Long) should have been binned off months ago, KC is nearly always chasing the game with players who don't have the energy because they have been over stretched in defence.

If we are using 10 year old tactics no wonder we get found out.

Working down the middle in heavy traffic, the drop off pass and the kick on the 3rd tackle is the way to go, we just haven't perfected it yet. I wonder if because we have the smallest backline in super league has something to do with it.

For the Wolves, Tony Smith was always an admirer of the old Saints style of open play and somehow has managed to emulate it into the modern game. In fact the tables have turned we are looking like the old warrington side who use to get a couple of hammerings during the season with a few reasonable games to give the fans some hope.

you wish...your not that good.

I think we might be a bit better than Brian Johnsons team and the 80-0 which exterminated him. Then John Dorahy came along and took the team to the bottom end of super league.

+1

In many ways the score flattered Sts.
50/50 calls against wire plus 5/6 times Sandow kicked early in the tackle count.
The score may have reached 50+ without Wire having to change a gear.
Saints have the backs, it's the lack of front row umph that is a issue IMO.

You couldn't be more wrong in terms of where or problems lie.

We regularly make enough metres and get in the righty positions to score points; our pack on the whole is doing its job.
Our main problem is that our back line is woeful at the moment and our tactics dire. A good attacking side would have been 12-0 up with the same amount of possession and territory as we had.

I saw Sts props looking like they were running up against a brick wall. Backs trying to help share the props work but getting nailed and pushed back, all that within the Wire 40.
Farge worked very hard but was under pressure with a poor Wilkin(a forward not a back) who looked every inch due for retirement.
Get Walsh back and the halves issue is solved.
Those outside backs have so much pace Swift and (inj) Makinson would both find a position on the wings at Wire

Like I said nowt up with the backs. It's a shallow pack, the same issue as Wire has had over the last 2/3 seasons. Finally addressed I might say.