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Quote: St pete "Totally be fair, saints are pretty good at getting good young players but did miss out on few from brook why went Wigan .

Our youth policy is ticking Over but we only produce decent super league players wirh odd top player every now and then.

It's hard to know whst a 15 year old lad will grow like in say 4 years.

Saints have brought some big lads thru in recent years in Thompson, Richards, Savelio, Greenwood and Knowles so we got the size thing right but not the quality'"


Thank you for that Professor Stanley Unwin.

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Quote: Mugwump "I don't think it's beyond the team to put together a run of four or five wins. '"


WLWWWLLWLWLWWLWLLL

Maybe it wasn't in 2015, but no way is it happening this year.

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Quote: Mugwump "The fact that we have failed to compete in several games this season when this was a hallmark of Cunningham's first year is a concern. Our league position is problematic and yet I don't think it's beyond the team to put together a run of four or five wins.

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I reckon it would be more accurate thats its not beyond the team to put together a run of 4 or 5 losses, with Walsh out for a few weeks its going to be a big ask for Wilkin to marshall the side.

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We will win two of our last league games

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I've always thought that the side could turn it around, but for every step forwards we always seem to be able to take 2 back.
Only a few weeks ago we were 2 points away from top and able to actually go joint top. Then we capitulated to Huddersfield.
There was no reason we should have done so.

But of all the games I've seen this season for a portion of the game Saints have seemed to be managing well. We will defend high up the field and territory wise look well in control. Then as soon as we give away a penalty or drop the ball that tight defence just falls apart. It's as though one call is enough to scupper any confidence that they once had.
I would not say we were a good side, but at the start of the season I thought we looked like an average side that could punch above it's weight. But as the season has gone on that averageness has been found out.

I don't think it's a lack of effort by anyone, but a lack of skill and ability. If you keep winning then that lack of skill and ability will be masked by enthusiasm and energy. But once we have been found out we are now just playing like any other average side. And when those average sides loose their best players time and time again, those average sides struggle.

We've seen it from other sides in previous seasons. Hull KR or Wakey say will have a flying start to the season and pull off a few shocks, but as the season progresses and the better sides gear up towards the end of the season and the injuries hit, the surprises become less and less and the season peaters out.

This year top 4 would be an over achievement!

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But of all the games I've seen this season for a portion of the game Saints have seemed to be managing well. We will defend high up the field and territory wise look well in control. Then as soon as we give away a penalty or drop the ball that tight defence just falls apart. It's as though one call is enough to scupper any confidence that they once had.
I would not say we were a good side, but at the start of the season I thought we looked like an average side that could punch above it's weight. But as the season has gone on that averageness has been found out.

I don't think it's a lack of effort by anyone, but a lack of skill and ability. If you keep winning then that lack of skill and ability will be masked by enthusiasm and energy. But once we have been found out we are now just playing like any other average side. And when those average sides loose their best players time and time again, those average sides struggle.

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Defensively this is probably the worst we've ever been in the super league. Lots of observations showing very bad structure and technique.

1. Slow line speed allowing the opposition to generate more force on impact.
2. Not tackling at centre of gravity to slow momentum, opposition allowed to keep generating leg speed.
3. Bad tackling technique one on one allowing offload or tackle bust.
4. Amor and Vea have pretty bad positioning on the edge of the ruck area, I think most teams are aware of this weakness.
5. Both centres/wings finding it difficult to read switch plays when opposition try to create the extra man.
6. Giving away a penalty on the 4th or 5th tackle, usually LMS or Wilkin.

Biggest problem the players are not in tune with one another and not operating as a defensive unit, we rely on a sliding defence too much and get overworked and lose energy when we should be up on play and stopping near the source of play to stop the opposition being expansive.

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