For me the disheartening thing about us this year is the reactions to these losses. In years gone by every single hammering was followed by apologies and acknowledgement that what was served up was embarrassing. Even in 2014 when we won it, we took a lot of hidings on the way. Yet after every one the likes of Brown and Wellens would be honestly evaluating what was going on and apologising.

Now we seem to just be used to it. We seem to have adopted the attitude as a club that these things can happen rather than anyone acknowledging that this is shambolic. I couldn't believe after last weekend he blamed inconsistency. If the true top teams are inconsistent, they might lose one in every three games by 8-12 points. Top teams and big clubs don't get battered 4 times in a season at the half way point and use inconsistency as an excuse. We're coming up massively short against good sides, something is fundamentally wrong. Until the likes of Rush, KC and Wilkin acknowledge this and ditch this 'ah well, it happens' attitude, we're destined to slog it out with the likes of Salford, Hudds and Cas until we start acting like a big club.

Not being able to get to the match very often (if at all), I tend to rely on Sky's coverage to keep up with Saints. I am currently mulling over cancelling the Sports package. The football season is over and Saints just bore the @rse off me. My girlfriend, who was really up for following Saints with me when we started dating rarely shows any interest in watching them now either.

It may not cost the club money in terms of ticket revenue lost, but Eammon needs to know that he is losing fans; fans that have followed the team for the majority of their lives and spent a hell of a lot of money doing so.

Its all about high standards at this club which in the fully professional era is very much in high demand by the supporter base. There is also the style "Saints Way" of playing the game with or without high profile players. All the criticism last season and this season is our attitude, effort, commitment etc which is seriously lacking be it recruitment, coaching, players this is very much when we are winning as well as losing.
For the last 20 years Saints have been a top 4 club and the supporters are now sending the message out to the club that this slippage is not acceptable, Wigan and Leeds are now going through a similar scenario, the main reason is probably the quality of players available. The less profile clubs have recruited very well but they are not a good enough quality to raise the standard of Superleague.
For example I would like to see a better quality player playing this season who are superior than these who all played in the same seasonal era.


Keith Senior
Martin Gleeson
Iestyn Harris
Lee Briers
Sean Long
Stuart Fielden
Kieran Cunningham
James Graham
Adrian Morley
Gareth Hock
Paul Sculthorpe
Jamie Peacock
Kevin Sinfield
Paul Anderson

And these are just british players, overseas players are just the same.

Really getting bored of these David v Goliath battles. Think that's three us Hull fans have now had to endure against you this season.

This thread should be named after Jordan Turner's defence.