Apart from the continued "Love-in" with LMS ( a sort of reverse Wellens if you will)
I think that is a fair summation.

Saints have ruined Roby plain and simple. Any decent squad needs a pair of hookers and to be run as a pair.

It highlights the knack Saints have developed in being able to "un-develop" the few good players we have
forwards and back alike.

Shenton is another good example. Turner came to the club with one shortcoming now he has at least three.

I can see Walmsley , Greenwood and Savelio going in the next 12 months based on frustration and
the lack of ambition at the club.

Amor's a very good player. Wouldn't quite make the England squad even when on form, but an excellent starting prop and good enough for a team wanting to win silverware.

However, he can't do it all by himself. With Walmsley off tilt, our two bench props in Tasi and Richards (while Sav and Thompson are injured) being plodders at best. He genrally still scores very well on stats, which I like to look at for props.

The back row is a muddle. Wilkin is rocks or diamonds, he comes up with some big runs, but then does some pretty woeful stuff, which includes crazy misjudgements in defence and nothing kicks on the 3rd.
Regard a high tackle count, that's bread and butter for a back row - you'll always find a back row capable of that. We've let go Flash, Ashurst, Dixon & Walker who could all have matched him on that. I'm pretty sure morgan Knowles could, too.

Whilst I have time for LMS, he doesn't know the hell he's doing, most of the time, meaning he is intermittently effective.

The mainthing for me is the TEAM fundamentals.
1. We don't get a roll on our sets on tackles 1 and 2, which is mostly the responsibility of the wingers. Swift's alright at it, but we generally lack size in the back 3.
2. We do not control the ruck speed in either attack or defence.
3. Our defensive line is slow.
4. Whilst we seem to favour a forwards based game, we don't play an offloading game, meaning we don't ever look dangerous.
5. Our controlling half floats in and out of the game.
6. Our backs moves are lateral and easy to predict - look how easily Hudds defended their line despite how much possession we had in their 20.
7. Dubious judgement when it comes to kicking early in the tackle.

Once those 7 points have taken effect, the game is an uphill struggle and then indiviuals start to struggle with basics, includoing falling off 1 on 1 tackles.

All valid points, which in coaching terms is an easy fix, what's annoying me most is this lazy attitude and approach to games that neither creates intensity or momentum. We never take the game to the opposition
for longer periods and seem to invite the other team to get on the front foot.

Another negative is time wasting which I assume is to get a bit of a rest to conserve energy levels, Walsh takes an age to complete a penalty to touch letting the opposition have a breather and setting the line, he also
gets no distance on his kicks equivalent to wasting 1 or 2 wasted drives.

Last season and this season we are mentally very weak, Wilkin is not a natural leader when the going gets tough and we seem to go into capitulation mode more this season, which for fans is not acceptable.

Get your point but don't agree about the International bit - he could IMHO be in contention and he should but his development has been stunted - if ever a player would benefit from a spell in the NRL it's Amor, he just needs the push. Won't happen though.

Yeah, but its probably Englands strongest position, along with hooker. Graham, Burgesses and Hill would all stand in his way.

He's not big enough to play international rugby. He gets dominated to much at club level.

He used to have good footwork at the line but that's gone.