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Quote: St pete "We had 80% completion rate today which is very good considering we had tough game on Friday but yet again we was poor wirh the ball.

I'm beginning to think it's the only way we can play. We don't have the quality to play expansive rugby so maybe KC is playing to our strengths.

Widnes would have had 60 on them by a good attacking team today.'"


It's getting chicken and egg now - are the players not good enough and thus this is why we're playing this way, or are we playing this way and it makes a lot of players look not good enough?

I think on the whole, the team is good enough, and with a settled spine they may just start to look better. There's no doubt we look better with Theo at 6, and with some game time under his belt, and some threat returned to the centres, we might start to look better.

Good performances from Thompson, Walmsley, Amor, Savelio and Walsh today

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The one thing that annoys me this season is how we manage awarded field penalties, we don't seem to get much distance and kicking to touch is slow and seems to be up for team discussion before kicking to touch. Quite a few times we get a penalty near the opposition 20 to 30 metre line and go for a tap penalty instead of a kick to touch, we take 2 drives in and waste 2 tackles to get 10 metres when we can do that with no effort with a kick to touch and then have 6 attempts close to the try line.
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Under Millward and Anderson we would kick to touch, and have a very deep attacking line to hit the opposition with momentum and disruption, these days its 6 drives with a semi static flat attack which goes nowhere other than a drop off pass and a grubber kick.

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Quote: Judder Man "The one thing that annoys me this season is how we manage awarded field penalties, we don't seem to get much distance and kicking to touch is slow and seems to be up for team discussion before kicking to touch. Quite a few times we get a penalty near the opposition 20 to 30 metre line and go for a tap penalty instead of a kick to touch, we take 2 drives in and waste 2 tackles to get 10 metres when we can do that with no effort with a kick to touch and then have 6 attempts close to the try line.
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Under Millward and Anderson we would kick to touch, and have a very deep attacking line to hit the opposition with momentum and disruption, these days its 6 drives with a semi static flat attack which goes nowhere other than a drop off pass and a grubber kick.'"


Under Millward we regularly turned up at away grounds fielding criminally under strength sides and taking 50-point beatings because we couldn't be bothered.

Under Millward & Anderson we had significantly greater resources in the backs than we do now.

Don't you think the FAIR & BALANCED criticism of Cunningham in the context of the two coaches you mention should include these pretty important truths?

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Quote: Mugwump "Under Millward we regularly turned up at away grounds fielding criminally under strength sides and taking 50-point beatings because we couldn't be bothered.

Under Millward & Anderson we had significantly greater resources in the backs than we do now.

Don't you think the FAIR & BALANCED criticism of Cunningham in the context of the two coaches you mention should include these pretty important truths?'"


Regular is inaccurate. During Millward's tenure he did that in less than a handful of games. I can remember a couple of times against Bradford and Wigan. He didn't do it for a laugh either as players weren't fit etc.

Even though he ended up coaching at Wigan, we had some of our greatest years under Millward and played some amazing rugby league. He had the courage from that first game at Hull to let us play off the cuff and brought Tommy Martyn back in from the wilderness.

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Don't you think the FAIR & BALANCED criticism of Cunningham in the context of the two coaches you mention should include these pretty important truths?'"


In terms of Structure, Game Plan, Techniques and Mental approach to games no matter how inferior our players are today KC is way out of his depth at the moment. He's not a risk taker like Millward or Game Planner like Anderson, he's very much a steadfast person who seems to be stuck in his ways, maybe he's going through a similar fate as some of our developing players in a second season syndrome.
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KC has played under 6 coaches and surely some of the coaching methods good or bad are in memory banks, he seems to be finding comfort in the Potter and Simmonds eras probably because of the quality of our players.
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KC seems very nervous now facing the media and seems to losing that "connection " with the fans, there is also the rumour that some of the players are unsettled with our style of play and game plans. Once we get all our best players maybe he KC can change things around, in the meantime we are stuck in this boring flat as pancake stuff.

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Quote: Judder Man "In terms of Structure, Game Plan, Techniques and Mental approach to games no matter how inferior our players are today KC is way out of his depth at the moment. He's not a risk taker like Millward or Game Planner like Anderson, he's very much a steadfast person who seems to be stuck in his ways, maybe he's going through a similar fate as some of our developing players in a second season syndrome.
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KC has played under 6 coaches and surely some of the coaching methods good or bad are in memory banks, he seems to be finding comfort in the Potter and Simmonds eras probably because of the quality of our players.
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KC seems very nervous now facing the media and seems to losing that "connection " with the fans, there is also the rumour that some of the players are unsettled with our style of play and game plans. Once we get all our best players maybe he KC can change things around, in the meantime we are stuck in this boring flat as pancake stuff.'"



Whilst I'm not sure on KC, I think the accusations of stuck in his ways is unfair.
In his time he has dropped players who he thinks are under performing from juniors like Greenwood and Savelio to seniors like Turner and burns. As a team we have played grinding winter rugby and thrown it about wildly.

I'm fine with the accusations that he maybe struggling with such a big job as his first as you can't make mistakes and learn from them in a top job like he could elsewhere. But I don't buy the inflexible argument.

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