One of the reasons for a club being persistently at the lower end of Superleague is having a coaching set up that is not all that good at identifying and nurturing talent. Given that, the evidence cited for Jack Owens being a poor quality signing (that he's been released by Widnes without a fee) is scarcely worth a bean. However, if you labour under the delusion that our Chairman is not aiming for success then you probably believe that bean is magic. But there you go, on another board people are trying to persuade people that the world is flat; it takes all sorts.

Didn't we sign Sean Long on a free or nearly free from Widnes?

What have they done?

Which six clubs do you think will finish ahead of Saints?

Just some odds for next year's super league to chew over -:

Saints 4/1 2nd favs for the grand final

4/1 2nd favs for the regular season

1/3 for a top 4 finish

and 1/41 for a top 8 finish.

I don't understand the negativity here.If it doesn't work out then no harm done,Owens wont be commanding a big salary.Why not reserve judgment at least until he has played a couple of games,you may be pleasantly surprised.I am confident Jack will be a success at Saints,he's a very good RL footballer.And I wouldn't read too much into him not getting regular games at Widnes.

Wigan, Leeds, Warrington, Huddersfield will 100 % finish above us. I think catalan have recruited well as have hull and Cas are now a threat for the top 4.

I think we will finish 5th or 6th but if we lose Walmsley or Roby for any length of time then we are stuffed

So with a better squad were going to do significantly worse ... Makes sense

Be careful with comments like that mate. Always destined to come back and haunt you when you use the phrase 100% haha.

I think you're going a bit over the top. To suggest we will 100% finish outside of the top 4 when we are odds on to finish there is a bit drastic.

Jack Owens will be a quality player. As will Theo. I'm made up with our recruitment. Some big money comming off contract next year Walsh, Wilkin and possibly Burns. So expect bigger name signings then.

Names with seven letters in them rather than 6? The days of Saints making big signings are well and truly over.

You are made up with signing players that couldn't get into the first 17s of teams of a far lower standard than our current side? Really? If Owens is such a quality player, why couldn't he get into Widnes' team? Surely he'd be a star for them?

You are one of those sycophantic fans who would be made up if the club annouced it was re-signing Danny Arnold and playing it's home games on a Thursday morning and charging £312 per game. That or you're 12.

Yes I'm made up. The only thing that stopped this club winning anything last year was the coach IMO. We have a fantastic squad.

Leeds recruitment for this year is nothing special. Wigan dropped on with the fact there homegrown star was homesick, if Graham wanted to come home he'd be at Saints. Wire and Catalans have threw the kitchen sink at players because they needed too. Huddersfield and Cas,s recruitment has not been better than ours. Not a chance.

So stop crying. It is what it is. I've seen Jack Owens play from the age of 14 he is extremely talented as is Theo. Lama Tasi will be a star this year aswell