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Jack had ample opportunities to put his claim in for a first team spot but other players took their chance and were ahead of him, simple. Why waste our cap money and Jack's time?

Thompson is more than capable of playing Super League and regardless, Rhys Hanbury is still our first choice full back. As I said I wish Jack all the best and have watched him for many a year - thought he'd be in the side for years but sadly, his performances didn't warrant it. If he was killing it for us, why would we have released him or looked elsewhere for signings?

Is Owens fast?

I see Hampshire has gone on loan to Cas. We'd have been better making a move for him though no doubt the pies would have done everything possible to prevent such a move.

Average from what I've seen, similar to Tommy.

I disagree...I thought SMD complimented our team quite well. He is safe under high ball, has good support play & has a better defensive game than both Quinlan and Lomax. He is not what you would class as a "spectacular" full back but he was good enough for us imo.

Lomax is a tricky one...I agree he is a quality player, but you cant rely on anybody who has suffered 2 ACL injuries in 2 seasons. There is no guarantee his pace/stepping abilities will be the same again which would limit his attacking play, and also will need time to regain confidence after such long layoffs for the past 2 seasons. I think a bit of time in U23's (assuming clubs can still play a few over-age players) at a lower intensity to build him back up & ease him back into playing may be a better option to start with.

As for Peyroux, I am still hoping we can bring in another centre. I have only seen a limited amount of him, but from bits I have seen he looks very good when used in back row and has a strong running game but his defence is a bit suspect and could be exposed if used in the centres. Will give him BOTD until he plays but not overly convinced he is the answer to our lack of a centre.

As for Owens, you would assume with SMD & Lomax already established as full backs, and Tommy & Swifty both having good seasons on wing last year he would be starting as a cover player which would put Dawson further down the pecking order (and potentially spell the end of his time with us). Cant fault Dawson's effort he has always tried hard, but on ability Owens in for him would be a massive upgrade

Looks a good player to me, we have lacked alternatives in our back 3. Swift is prone to a poor spell so having an alternative on the wing is always good. Investing in young players is never bad, some may not make it but that is no reason to stop trying.

The new format has resulted in Widnes buying in experience to avoid the middle 8's and relegation. It would seem we are benefiting from it.

I 'think' he's OOC at the end of next season so it will be interesting to see where he ends up.

If you search 'St Helens Widnes 2013' in a well known video hosting website of your choice, you'll find highlights of the game in which Widnes thrashed us at home. Owens scored two in that game - the first one (about 01:30 on the video) shows that he has a bit of pace and power.

Did we have a ton of injuries that game? Looking at the shirt numbers and almost all of them are above 22.

That video shows how poor Wello was by that stage. How people can call Quinlan's defending when a club legend like Wello was playing like that is beyond me.

Owens doesn't even have a youtube highlights video. That says it all about him.

Neither does Mark Percival...does that mean we should get rid of him?

is time up for Lomax?