They always seemed to be half a metre in front of the ref every set & then charged forward to tackle us, were as we seemed to wait in a line for their forwards to come to us. Having said that in the last quarter of the game they seemed to tire & struggled to get back after Walsh kicked the ball to their back three sometimes only getting back on the third tackle with a few forwards with hands on hips. And Saints after a magnificent defensive effort seemed to have more petrol left in the tank at the back end of the match.

The one up stuff doesn't help but what else can you do when stuck in your own 20m zone? Sure you can have runners but other than that the ain't much more we can do. That's the reason we kick a lot as we struggle to make meters.

I don't think we are strong enough in contact. Like judder said, we struggle without alex meters and now teams are running at robes to take his running game away and whats thst leave us with?

The young lads ain't physcally developed yet (not their fault as that will come). Look at Greenwood when he has to take a hit up, he's getting smashed to pieces because he's not developed enough yet for week in week out super league. Same goes for Thompson, Richsrds and even Sav some weeks, they just can't win contact.

Add to that flash and Wilkin who are very small for forwards who will never make good meters unless put thru like wilkin last two weeks.

That leaves us with Amor who 90% of fans have said he's struggled and to small this year. Vea will make meters and we really missed him. Mose who doesn't make anywhere near the meters he should for a big 6ft 6in and 23st guy.

We seriously need a prop without a shadow of a doubt hence why we went for raperia, Mullaney, singleton etc.

There's not a lot you can do in your 20, that's true, but the way we make things easy for them the rest of the time with easy to read drives compound this throughout the 80. All you need is a little movement off the ball and you'll put that bit of doubt in their mind to stop them rushing and creaming the driving forward without hesitation.

I think Tasi will be quite good. He'll give us more minutes and, whilst he might not have the massive runs in him that Mose does, he'll perhaps give us more on average and is a very aggressive defender (something we lack).

But yes, we do need another senior prop that can make consistent hard yards. This will stop us flogging Amor as we did last year when he was going well. It will mean that when a front rower is injured or not performing, a youngster can come in and still have plenty of support around him.

We'll not sign another, imo. The emergence of Savelio will be what they consider as a new signing. I think Richards needs some work on, perhaps a stint next year at a good lower level club to stretch his legs a bit, else he'll go the same way as Paul Clough.

Does anyone have any inside info on this Haggarty lad. I don't know anything about him, as he got some promise? Obviously after seeing the success of Walmsley and Hill, you do hope that maybe we could unearth another decent prop.

I agree with what's been said though. Some of the young lads are getting smashed every week. With injuries etc the likes of Richards have had to play more minutes/games instead of easing them in.

I'm looking forward to Tasi coming in, sometimes players suit a club and I think he'll settle in nicely at Saints.

Seen him play a few games at Barrow Raiders, reminded me a bit like Joe Greenwood, charges in very upright. I do remember the barrow fans at work said he was a bit over ambitious and always wanted to play for a top club. Thought he would have had a bench spot by now.

Cheers Judder Man. Maybe we'll see him get on the bench a bit in preseason.