I imagine he's been dropped given what Cunningham said in the local press this week. Turner was dropped last week, Cunningham stating that Jones was brought in to 'shore up' that side.

Amor needs to bulk up. He looks tiny this season.

Looks pretty good to me.

He's never been the biggest of players but he had great footwork for a prop that got him those extra meters. I commented on his footwork when he first come. It's like a little shuffle thing just before he hits the line.

I think he lost this when he did his knee last year. He never really had it again when he came back so maybe it's the knee causing this.

I think it's pretty harsh dropping kyle tbh. I admit he's not playing well at all and been a shadow of last year but he always puts in 100% and always there to take the ball up and tackle. Let's be honest, the have been other forwards this year that have been much worse than kyle.

Richards was awful for about a month, non stop pens and making mistakes but stayed in 17. Mose has been woeful in 80% of the games this year and very very rare was getting over 7 carries a game but stayed in the 17.

Luke walsh is playing like he's never played rugby before and he's still there. Burns is just as bad as walsh but still there.

Has it took KC until the super 8s to notice Jordan Turner can't tackle ? I could have told him that 3 years ago. I think KC has looked at that left edge and had to make a decision on Turner or Walsh as those two are up there with the worst defenders ive ever seen and teams know this and attack them. They both miss about 5 tackles each which is aprox 10 misses on one edge!

I was critical of JT and his mate when they turned up, JT has improved but his mate quite rightly left. However when you reflect back on the great saints centres of the past wearing 3 or 4 it makes me wonder where we are pitching ourselves and what we'll expect and accept. What if we could choose Newlove, Meninga, Lyon, Iro, McCracken etc now? Puts it into perspective a bit?

He won't be remembered at saints for good reasons. His attack is ok but it's not great. Some here get a bone on when he beats a man but only because we not used to seeing it from a saints back.

His defence and decision making is up there with the worst ive seen for pro player.

Comparisons with the past are pointless.

Are any of the other players equals with previous generations?

Turner is one of few in this team that can bust a tackle and create a try for himself or someone else.

He's not a Saints born and bred lad so does not get the free ride that some local lads get.

Not my favourite player but gets more grief than he deserves. Easy scapegoat, go after the none local players.

The point he's making is our standards have dropped dramatically. Some say he's really really good! He's decent in attack but woeful in defence.

When I say we need a strike player, some people say "who makes way" lol lol lol obviously Turner. One nutjob said he'd rather have turner over SKD

Exactly. Whilst he may not be perfect, he's our top try scorer and has plenty of assists. His big plays are often at very important times, too.

He may have weaknesses, but certainly this year its certainly not a lack of effort. And lets not forget last year when he was the guy sticking his hand up to pla first receiver throughout the playoffs when Gary Wheeler bottled it and Lance was still struggling to become a ful time 6.

Doesbt hide the fact he's not very good. Flash out his hand up to play halves, Wello played everywhere, Josh jones gets moved about, percy got moved to fullback. Playing other postions is part and parcel of the game and that doesn't make Turner special.

I think you could say that for most teams, quality of super league players have been in decline for the last 5 years, we,ve not had any home grown world class international centres and half backs for well over 10 years now.