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| Quote: Mugwump "... let Uncle Mugwump put things into context.
Whilst the Challenge Cup semi was admittedly a blow - no amount of defeatist sophistry can change the fact that we were four points down with fifteen minutes remaining.
Bear in mind that our props were forced into double-shifts because of the loss of two second row forwards. One of which was having no problems churning up yards against the opposition whilst the other has been our most potent try-scoring forward in the games he's played.
Bear also in mind that over half of Leeds' points were directly attributable to a single player, who is clearly not fit and unable to defend adequately.
I realise that many of you are completely unable to shake off your Leeds Inferiority Complex (from henceforth - LICX) but I very much doubt that Leeds would have performed anything like as well had the boot been on the other foot.
The Cup is gone. Forget about it.
Right now we need to concentrate on winning games that are far more important than any we've played so far in the competition. Champion sides play the COMPETITION - not the opponent. Quite frankly I couldn't care less about three losses to the Not Champions provided we take home the prize.
Given the absolutely horrible fortune we've had with injuries which has robbed us of three or more key personnel in just about every game we've played this season quite frankly I'm amazed we are where we are.
Leaving questions about individual talent to one side - this is UNQUESTIONABLY the most courageous Saints side in my lifetime. Last year it had similarly rotten luck and yet it clawed tooth-and-nail to the Grand Final. Then it had to contend with the minor inconvenience of having NO PLAYMAKERS TO SPEAK OF for 78 minutes - and yet somehow, against all the prophecies and prognostications of the same old crop of doomsayers, it did what was "impossible".
So far this season we've turned in a similarly heroic effort. With all the crap we've had to contend with (no Walsh for half the season and now a crocked Walsh, the long-term loss of two of the form back row forwards in SL, the loss of what was a highly-promising full-back in Lomax to two cruciate ruptures, then the loss of his replacement - who also happened to blow out in similar fashion the season before, the loss of one of the most dependable and potent wingers in SL - then throw in all the other injuries such as Percival's etc. etc) the fact that we are a SINGLE POINT off the top is astonishing. No Saints side in my lifetime has ever scrapped as hard. Under Millward we regularly endured blowouts away from home. Even under Anderson - in his best season - we took some hammerings. This league campaign we've failed to contest two - maybe three games. Isn't that cause for celebration?
I really don't understand many of you. What PRECISELY do you WANT from this side? Or would you still be unhappy if we won every game - for ever more?
I can't stop you guys from whining and bellyaching like the runt jackal in the litter whose nose has been shoved out of the meat. But next time you feel the urge - spare a thought for the lads currently busting a gut - FOR YOU - under incredibly challenging circumstances. No side has EVER had to contend with playing a Grand Final without a single playmaker. And no Saints side I can recall has ever fronted up as courageously at this point in the season whilst having to contend with what seems like an unending injury nightmare.
If the season was over now I'd still be proud of this bunch. They are a team of CHAMPIONS and it's about time some of you gave them the credit they've surely EARNED and DESERVE.
Forget about Leeds. Let them think we're a spent force. Completely incapable of matching them in "all departments" etc. etc. Suits me down to the ground. With the misfortune we've suffered we shouldn't be anywhere close to the top of the table. Just look at Warrington. We have absolutely nothing to lose here. On the other hand Leeds must now win both the Challenge Cup & the Grand Final or be classed as one of the greatest chokes in the history of the competition.
I equate our current position to the end of the second act in Star Wars. Obi Wan Kenobi has been cut down by Vader and everyone is in tears. The righteous forces of the rebellion (us) are hopelessly outgunned "in every department" and yet our plucky heroes are making a last ditch stand - speeding toward the Death Star in their tiny X-Wing fighters with The Force at their backs.
[i"Biggs, Wedge, let's close it up. We're going in. We're going in full throttle."[/i
Before touching on anything else. Your comments on Anderson's reign are factually wrong. In his best season the most we lost by in the league was 4 points, hardly a hammering.
Then, you want us to CELEBRATE, the fact the Champion team (as you keep saying) Have only failed to contest 3 games! Wow.
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44308_1279480467.gif Mugwump mocking mental illness for a second time -
"You are mentally ill and I can't indulge your madness any more"
Utter disgusting abusive remark from a keyboard warrior:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_44308.gif |
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| Quote: Blobbynator "It isn't. It was around this time last year (possibly even later actually) when we lost at Hull and we looked far from a team that would get anywhere near Old Trafford at that point. It was the lightbulb moment where Brown changed our tactics and the players reacted and brought us home.
We are at that stage now. It is time for KC to adapt. People were wondering when KC would get his biggest test as a coach, well it is with us right now. He has alot of players out of form and he has to change our tactics to get better results.
I do agree with alot of what you say though especially in regards to the halves. At the moment they are both a joke. Travis Burns will escape some criticism under Walsh's horrific form but he is doing nothing to help Walsh out of this slump and has been a big disappointment this season. His kicking game has been hopeless, I can't recall him creating too much recently and he is really is offering nothing with regards to a running game. Burns and Walsh just don't lookto be gelling like Wilkin & Burns were. As for Walsh, well his performances are not even Super League level at the moment. There's no imagination, no creativity, no sharpness to his passing and the worst aspect is that he looks afraid to take on the line. The key to a good half back is running to the line to commit defenders and therefore putting your team mates into space with a pass. Our backline and back rowers are getting no decent service right now because Walsh is reluctant to do this. Wilkin may get some stick on here and Red Vee, but when he was playing you can guarantee he would take the game by the scruff of the neck and you can guarantee he would take the ball to the line. You can question his pass selection at times and some of his kicking but not his ability to take the game by the scruff of the neck. Look back to the Wigan game and the difference in our half back play is miles apart from where it is now. When Wilkin is back I would stick in the halves without question unless one of these two dramatically improves in the next few weeks with his injury.
We will also improve once Makinson, Turner and Vea come back in so it's not all lost yet but we've got some big improving to do to even compete with Leeds or Wigan.
Our next two games are winnable and if we do win them, table wise we'll still be in a good position, probably 2nd as Wigan play Leeds away next week which is a tough one.'"
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44308_1279480467.gif Mugwump mocking mental illness for a second time -
"You are mentally ill and I can't indulge your madness any more"
Utter disgusting abusive remark from a keyboard warrior:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_44308.gif |
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| Quote: Blobbynator "It isn't. It was around this time last year (possibly even later actually) when we lost at Hull and we looked far from a team that would get anywhere near Old Trafford at that point. It was the lightbulb moment where Brown changed our tactics and the players reacted and brought us home.
We are at that stage now. It is time for KC to adapt. People were wondering when KC would get his biggest test as a coach, well it is with us right now. He has alot of players out of form and he has to change our tactics to get better results.
I do agree with alot of what you say though especially in regards to the halves. At the moment they are both a joke. Travis Burns will escape some criticism under Walsh's horrific form but he is doing nothing to help Walsh out of this slump and has been a big disappointment this season. His kicking game has been hopeless, I can't recall him creating too much recently and he is really is offering nothing with regards to a running game. Burns and Walsh just don't lookto be gelling like Wilkin & Burns were. As for Walsh, well his performances are not even Super League level at the moment. There's no imagination, no creativity, no sharpness to his passing and the worst aspect is that he looks afraid to take on the line. The key to a good half back is running to the line to commit defenders and therefore putting your team mates into space with a pass. Our backline and back rowers are getting no decent service right now because Walsh is reluctant to do this. Wilkin may get some stick on here and Red Vee, but when he was playing you can guarantee he would take the game by the scruff of the neck and you can guarantee he would take the ball to the line. You can question his pass selection at times and some of his kicking but not his ability to take the game by the scruff of the neck. Look back to the Wigan game and the difference in our half back play is miles apart from where it is now. When Wilkin is back I would stick in the halves without question unless one of these two dramatically improves in the next few weeks with his injury.
We will also improve once Makinson, Turner and Vea come back in so it's not all lost yet but we've got some big improving to do to even compete with Leeds or Wigan.
Our next two games are winnable and if we do win them, table wise we'll still be in a good position, probably 2nd as Wigan play Leeds away next week which is a tough one.'"
I agree with this. We 100% will be better with Wilkin, Tommy and Vea back and we certainly stand a chance of getting to old trafford if we make the top 4 as its a one off game. I can't see us beating leeds or wigan at old Trafford If we did get there.
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[quote][b]XBrettKennyX wrote:[/b] Once more the anti SC brigade, purposely or otherwise fail to see the point.
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| We'll beat Wigan if we meet in the GF. Not sure on Leeds though, their coach is out thinking ours. We are getting closer to them in each game though, and injuries are taking their toll in game. Didn't we only have one interchange for most of the 2nd half? You can't expect to beat a team of their quality being 3 men down.
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3076_1671446335.jpg SAINTS THE ORIGINAL AND PERENNIAL CHEATS
For sale full Saints kit (circa 1989). Shirts in pristine condition, but shorts badly soiled.
For 27 - 0 you get a trophy
For 75 - 0 you get sod all.
Wigan had eight in a row
Saints have five in a row:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_3076.jpg |
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| Quote: Billinge_Lump "We'll beat Wigan if we meet in the GF. Not sure on Leeds though, their coach is out thinking ours. We are getting closer to them in each game though, and injuries are taking their toll in game. Didn't we only have one interchange for most of the 2nd half? You can't expect to beat a team of their quality being 3 men down.'"
I think you're conveniently ignoring/forgetting that Leeds lost Aiton after about 15 minutes and then JJB later in the game.
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2595.jpg I'm not Jesus Christ, I've come to accept that now.
[quote][b]XBrettKennyX wrote:[/b] Once more the anti SC brigade, purposely or otherwise fail to see the point.
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "I think you're conveniently ignoring/forgetting that Leeds lost Aiton after about 15 minutes and then JJB later in the game.
Aiton played longer than that didn't he (I don't remember him going off)? And JJB only went off with 8 minutes to go. We'd lost 3 never to return by the 55 minute mark. Our game plan seems to be to tire out the opposition and then try to capitalise in the second 20 of each half. It worked in the first half, we'd started to put them under pressure and were dominating the game, but it didn't happen in the second half. Only having one sub in the last half hour contributed greatly to that, Leeds could keep their pack fresher than we could.
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