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| Quote: St pete "It certainly crazy tactic kicking down the throat of a back three like leeds have unless you find touch and if you don't there back three will burn you.
Tactically I don't think KC is up there yet. He might learn in time but this is the first time he's coached any time at all so it's to be expected.
Nathan Brown was very good tactically. The way he got us to adapt to all the injuries we had and change the way we played in short period of time was real top class coaching. What that guy did last year with the injuries we had was notning short of worldclass coaching. No halves avsilable to him and with flash and Wello our halves in the grand final it's a miracle we won.
Brown got a lot of stick on here but he was a good coach and the players loved his coaching. He built us back into a title winning team with his tactics and very smart recruitment and retention.'"
You won't hear a bad thing from me about Brown. I fully agree that he put the club back on course.
The manner in which he won us the league was built on aggression. He recognised following Wigan butchering us at home last year that we were far too passive. The result was an ultra aggressive defensive style that rattled teams, all teams, and we prospered from it. He also enforced the conservative rugby, through no fault of his own, as he had no other options following the loss of every pivot we had.
My worry is that Cunningham is maintaining the extreme conservatism regardless of us having pivots and also without the aggression. I posted all preseason that I felt we'd stroll the title again this year as with fit pivots and the aggressive style of forward play we have, I didn't see anybody living with us. However, we simply aren't following the remit Brown left us with. Teams have also found a way to play us, nobody takes us on without 5 props anymore for instance. Ultimately though, we should be doing better. |
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Mugwump mocking mental illness for a second time -
"You are mentally ill and I can't indulge your madness any more"
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| Quote: Blobbynator "It isn't. It was around this time last year (possibly even later actually) when we lost at Hull and we looked far from a team that would get anywhere near Old Trafford at that point. It was the lightbulb moment where Brown changed our tactics and the players reacted and brought us home.
We are at that stage now. It is time for KC to adapt. People were wondering when KC would get his biggest test as a coach, well it is with us right now. He has alot of players out of form and he has to change our tactics to get better results.
I do agree with alot of what you say though especially in regards to the halves. At the moment they are both a joke. Travis Burns will escape some criticism under Walsh's horrific form but he is doing nothing to help Walsh out of this slump and has been a big disappointment this season. His kicking game has been hopeless, I can't recall him creating too much recently and he is really is offering nothing with regards to a running game. Burns and Walsh just don't lookto be gelling like Wilkin & Burns were. As for Walsh, well his performances are not even Super League level at the moment. There's no imagination, no creativity, no sharpness to his passing and the worst aspect is that he looks afraid to take on the line. The key to a good half back is running to the line to commit defenders and therefore putting your team mates into space with a pass. Our backline and back rowers are getting no decent service right now because Walsh is reluctant to do this. Wilkin may get some stick on here and Red Vee, but when he was playing you can guarantee he would take the game by the scruff of the neck and you can guarantee he would take the ball to the line. You can question his pass selection at times and some of his kicking but not his ability to take the game by the scruff of the neck. Look back to the Wigan game and the difference in our half back play is miles apart from where it is now. When Wilkin is back I would stick in the halves without question unless one of these two dramatically improves in the next few weeks with his injury.
We will also improve once Makinson, Turner and Vea come back in so it's not all lost yet but we've got some big improving to do to even compete with Leeds or Wigan.
Our next two games are winnable and if we do win them, table wise we'll still be in a good position, probably 2nd as Wigan play Leeds away next week which is a tough one.'" |
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Mugwump mocking mental illness for a second time -
"You are mentally ill and I can't indulge your madness any more"
Utter disgusting abusive remark from a keyboard warrior:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_44308.gif |
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| Quote: Blobbynator "It isn't. It was around this time last year (possibly even later actually) when we lost at Hull and we looked far from a team that would get anywhere near Old Trafford at that point. It was the lightbulb moment where Brown changed our tactics and the players reacted and brought us home.
We are at that stage now. It is time for KC to adapt. People were wondering when KC would get his biggest test as a coach, well it is with us right now. He has alot of players out of form and he has to change our tactics to get better results.
I do agree with alot of what you say though especially in regards to the halves. At the moment they are both a joke. Travis Burns will escape some criticism under Walsh's horrific form but he is doing nothing to help Walsh out of this slump and has been a big disappointment this season. His kicking game has been hopeless, I can't recall him creating too much recently and he is really is offering nothing with regards to a running game. Burns and Walsh just don't lookto be gelling like Wilkin & Burns were. As for Walsh, well his performances are not even Super League level at the moment. There's no imagination, no creativity, no sharpness to his passing and the worst aspect is that he looks afraid to take on the line. The key to a good half back is running to the line to commit defenders and therefore putting your team mates into space with a pass. Our backline and back rowers are getting no decent service right now because Walsh is reluctant to do this. Wilkin may get some stick on here and Red Vee, but when he was playing you can guarantee he would take the game by the scruff of the neck and you can guarantee he would take the ball to the line. You can question his pass selection at times and some of his kicking but not his ability to take the game by the scruff of the neck. Look back to the Wigan game and the difference in our half back play is miles apart from where it is now. When Wilkin is back I would stick in the halves without question unless one of these two dramatically improves in the next few weeks with his injury.
We will also improve once Makinson, Turner and Vea come back in so it's not all lost yet but we've got some big improving to do to even compete with Leeds or Wigan.
Our next two games are winnable and if we do win them, table wise we'll still be in a good position, probably 2nd as Wigan play Leeds away next week which is a tough one.'"
I agree with this. We 100% will be better with Wilkin, Tommy and Vea back and we certainly stand a chance of getting to old trafford if we make the top 4 as its a one off game. I can't see us beating leeds or wigan at old Trafford If we did get there. |
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I'm not Jesus Christ, I've come to accept that now.
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We'll beat Wigan if we meet in the GF. Not sure on Leeds though, their coach is out thinking ours. We are getting closer to them in each game though, and injuries are taking their toll in game. Didn't we only have one interchange for most of the 2nd half? You can't expect to beat a team of their quality being 3 men down.
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SAINTS THE ORIGINAL AND PERENNIAL CHEATS
For sale full Saints kit (circa 1989). Shirts in pristine condition, but shorts badly soiled.
For 27 - 0 you get a trophy
For 75 - 0 you get sod all.
Wigan had eight in a row
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| Quote: Billinge_Lump "We'll beat Wigan if we meet in the GF. Not sure on Leeds though, their coach is out thinking ours. We are getting closer to them in each game though, and injuries are taking their toll in game. Didn't we only have one interchange for most of the 2nd half? You can't expect to beat a team of their quality being 3 men down.'"
I think you're conveniently ignoring/forgetting that Leeds lost Aiton after about 15 minutes and then JJB later in the game.  |
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I'm not Jesus Christ, I've come to accept that now.
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "I think you're conveniently ignoring/forgetting that Leeds lost Aiton after about 15 minutes and then JJB later in the game. ![]()
Aiton played longer than that didn't he (I don't remember him going off)? And JJB only went off with 8 minutes to go. We'd lost 3 never to return by the 55 minute mark. Our game plan seems to be to tire out the opposition and then try to capitalise in the second 20 of each half. It worked in the first half, we'd started to put them under pressure and were dominating the game, but it didn't happen in the second half. Only having one sub in the last half hour contributed greatly to that, Leeds could keep their pack fresher than we could.
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