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Quote: Rogues Gallery "Allowing for the fact that he got taken off with concussion and made 20 tackles, I agree it's pretty poor almost Masoe like, although Masoe has only managed more than 20 tackles twice in a game all season.'"


I think the fact you're comparing your best and starting prop with our 3rd / 4th choice impact prop says everything about your prop weakness.

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Quote: spartakmixtapes "Wigan fan in peace - Given Mose's apparent lack of impact I can't understand why Wigan put so much emphasis on him when he came on last week with 3/4 players flying out of the line trying (and failing!) to put a big hit on him, when up until then they had held a very disciplined line speed (I thought Wigan's front 3 did a good job on Walmsley up to that first round of subs).
It happened a couple of times and it look like the turning point in the match to me, if I recall correctly it was a failed big hit/committing too many players on Mose that led to Roby finding a gap then Burns pulling that 40-20 out the hat.


Long story short, think Mose offers you something different, even if its just focusing the oppo's attention away from your other forwards.'"


This is his purpose in the team to commit 3 or 4 defenders to allow a wider ball on the next play, he,s not going to have much go forward with 4 players hanging on to him. You can,t commit only 1 or 2 defenders, he will flatten and trample over somebody if its one on one, with 2 defenders he usually gets his arm free for a pass. Quite often we use him as a decoy which reduces the no of carries for him in a game.
The problem is he does,t do enough minutes, most matches our strength is in the middle so we rotate our forwards quite a lot, some do hard yards and longer minutes, Walmsley and Mose do a lot of damage and have the highest tackle bust per carry ratio than any other forwards in Superleague. (1 tackle bust for every 3.8 carries)

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Quote: Judder Man "This is his purpose in the team to commit 3 or 4 defenders to allow a wider ball on the next play, he,s not going to have much go forward with 4 players hanging on to him. You can,t commit only 1 or 2 defenders, he will flatten and trample over somebody if its one on one, with 2 defenders he usually gets his arm free for a pass. Quite often we use him as a decoy which reduces the no of carries for him in a game.'"


My only issue with this from a Wigan standpoint is we generally commit 3 players to each tackle and use a quick and aggressive but controlled line speed headed up by Mcillorum. Up till Mose came on I thought they handled your pack pretty well, as evidenced by Walmsley blowing pretty hard walking to a scrum after 15 - 20 minutes. Judging by some of your own fans view of Mose I'm at a loss why Wigan targeted him.

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Quote: spartakmixtapes "Wigan fan in peace - Given Mose's apparent lack of impact I can't understand why Wigan put so much emphasis on him when he came on last week with 3/4 players flying out of the line trying (and failing!) to put a big hit on him, when up until then they had held a very disciplined line speed (I thought Wigan's front 3 did a good job on Walmsley up to that first round of subs).
It happened a couple of times and it look like the turning point in the match to me, if I recall correctly it was a failed big hit/committing too many players on Mose that led to Roby finding a gap then Burns pulling that 40-20 out the hat.
If, like some think, he is a useless lump it would have been a better tactic to just let him trundle in as usual and save the effort for your other forwards
Got to give the big lad respect for that kick chase as well.

Long story short, think Mose offers you something different, even if its just focusing the oppo's attention away from your other forwards.'"


Woah.....a rare beast indeed, a Wiganer with a clue !!!!! Let's take a moment to appreciate this, it happens all too rarely.

Yes, Masoe's impact is never going to be measurable on a stats sheet. Look at Swift's try against Wigan - Masoe drags four men under the sticks, as well as driving McIlorum into the ground, Saints sling it wide and Swift goes in untouched.

His real impact is the aggression. What he did against you guys was systematically target McIlorum. Hammered him first chance he got and let's be honest, hit him and Wigan turn into a group of girls. That's what Masoe does. Never going to look great on paper and in truth, not all that fabulous but when you consider the key area where Saints used to fall short against Wigan was in the aggression department, well, that ain't happening with Masoe on the field.

Of course, this won't stop the agenda driving fools to keep up their boring campaign. Every single post will continue to imply or explicitly state that Masoe's this and he's that. It's mindnumbing stuff.

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Just on Ben Flower. Not bothered, he wouldn't even make our 17. None of Wigan's props would.

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Quote: SLS "Woah.....a rare beast indeed, a Wiganer with a clue !!!!! Let's take a moment to appreciate this, it happens all too rarely.

Yes, Masoe's impact is never going to be measurable on a stats sheet. Look at Swift's try against Wigan - Masoe drags four men under the sticks, as well as driving McIlorum into the ground, Saints sling it wide and Swift goes in untouched.

His real impact is the aggression. What he did against you guys was systematically target McIlorum. Hammered him first chance he got and let's be honest, hit him and Wigan turn into a group of girls. That's what Masoe does. Never going to look great on paper and in truth, not all that fabulous but when you consider the key area where Saints used to fall short against Wigan was in the aggression department, well, that ain't happening with Masoe on the field.'"


While I see your point I kind of disagree in that I think it was Mcilorum who initially tried to target Mose for, what could be, no good reason. He missed the first shot he tried and came off second best under the sticks against him. (It also didn't help that Crosby came on around that time and he's a shadow of the player that was developing for the last year or 2) Like I said Wigan had played Walmsley (and Leeds' pack before that) really well with controlled tactics but that went out of the window when Mose came on.
Whether that is down to Mose's quality or bad tactics from Wigan is down to interpretation, but useless lump or not, he certainly turned the game in your favour.

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