What is this nonsense about him 'gifting' us the game? Have you all fallen for Wane's ridiculous claim that Flower was worth a 30 point turnaround, because obviously teams NEVER get a result when they go a man down (unless they are playing Wigan, in which case going a man down galvanises them and actually improves their performance).

On a similar note, the "Ben Flowe f-ed it up" song is entirely cringeworthy.

This is his purpose in the team to commit 3 or 4 defenders to allow a wider ball on the next play, he,s not going to have much go forward with 4 players hanging on to him. You can,t commit only 1 or 2 defenders, he will flatten and trample over somebody if its one on one, with 2 defenders he usually gets his arm free for a pass. Quite often we use him as a decoy which reduces the no of carries for him in a game.
The problem is he does,t do enough minutes, most matches our strength is in the middle so we rotate our forwards quite a lot, some do hard yards and longer minutes, Walmsley and Mose do a lot of damage and have the highest tackle bust per carry ratio than any other forwards in Superleague. (1 tackle bust for every 3.8 carries)

My only issue with this from a Wigan standpoint is we generally commit 3 players to each tackle and use a quick and aggressive but controlled line speed headed up by Mcillorum. Up till Mose came on I thought they handled your pack pretty well, as evidenced by Walmsley blowing pretty hard walking to a scrum after 15 - 20 minutes. Judging by some of your own fans view of Mose I'm at a loss why Wigan targeted him.

Woah.....a rare beast indeed, a Wiganer with a clue !!!!! Let's take a moment to appreciate this, it happens all too rarely.

Yes, Masoe's impact is never going to be measurable on a stats sheet. Look at Swift's try against Wigan - Masoe drags four men under the sticks, as well as driving McIlorum into the ground, Saints sling it wide and Swift goes in untouched.

His real impact is the aggression. What he did against you guys was systematically target McIlorum. Hammered him first chance he got and let's be honest, hit him and Wigan turn into a group of girls. That's what Masoe does. Never going to look great on paper and in truth, not all that fabulous but when you consider the key area where Saints used to fall short against Wigan was in the aggression department, well, that ain't happening with Masoe on the field.

Of course, this won't stop the agenda driving fools to keep up their boring campaign. Every single post will continue to imply or explicitly state that Masoe's this and he's that. It's mindnumbing stuff.

Just on Ben Flower. Not bothered, he wouldn't even make our 17. None of Wigan's props would.

While I see your point I kind of disagree in that I think it was Mcilorum who initially tried to target Mose for, what could be, no good reason. He missed the first shot he tried and came off second best under the sticks against him. (It also didn't help that Crosby came on around that time and he's a shadow of the player that was developing for the last year or 2) Like I said Wigan had played Walmsley (and Leeds' pack before that) really well with controlled tactics but that went out of the window when Mose came on.
Whether that is down to Mose's quality or bad tactics from Wigan is down to interpretation, but useless lump or not, he certainly turned the game in your favour.