What is this nonsense about him 'gifting' us the game? Have you all fallen for Wane's ridiculous claim that Flower was worth a 30 point turnaround, because obviously teams NEVER get a result when they go a man down (unless they are playing Wigan, in which case going a man down galvanises them and actually improves their performance).

On a similar note, the "Ben Flowe f-ed it up" song is entirely cringeworthy.

Not saying we wouldn't have won without that happening as I believe we could. Having your opposition to 12 men on the field for the entire game is a bit of a 'gifted' advantage though

how about a collective turn of the back if he comes off the bench.

Surely best just to give him the attention we give to all other bang-average players. His antics might have elevated him to god like status in the eyes of Wigan fans but we don't need to follow suit.

It wouldn't have needed to be a 30 point turnaround though, just 9. I don't think we'd have won that match had he not been sent off. Still, one of the great Grand Finals though





Fully agree. We should be singing about Saints, not Wigan. It's embarrassing at times.

We'd have won the Grand Final whether he'd stayed on or not. The Grand Final was over as a contest the moment Mose/Sia smashed the Goon player fifteen yards backwards on the first tackle. Our pack would have marmelised their's, whether Flower had been there or not. It was in the stars.

It did seem like it was written in the Stars didn't it ?

I don't think we would have won if flower hadnt been sent off. It's not that he's a good player but the fact the goons was a man down for 72 mins and still looked better then us in attack.

Flower messed up and we won so I'll take that. I won't be cheering or booing Flower as he's a nothing plsyer that become infamous over one of the worst incidents I've seen on a rugby league pitch.

What he did in the final was appalling, but that doesn't put him in the same league of scum as Hock or Newton. He's just a very average player who had a major brain fart and will suffer for ever as a result. The others were vermin on and off the pitch who the game would be better off without

The bloke deserves a standing ovation.

Grand Final is confined to history, it's going to hot out there tomorrow for your big forwards, but what a game in prospect.....can't wait.

Possibly, but they had to get the ball wide at every opportunity because they got absolutely minced down the middle. Did Crosby even get into double figures for meters made? Plus we had turner, Flanagan and wellens directing our attack!! Haha

I couldn't care less about flower. What's done is done.