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| No reality check for me. It was a glorified friendly - let's not kid ourselves - against easily the best team in world rugby. Coupled with the fact that we didn't even play badly, and I am not worried in the slightest. I still think we are the team to beat in SL, and I am happy we came through what was a bruising match with no serious injuries.
People getting worked up over it, have a word with yourselves.
If anything, the game will have done the kids a world of good. They won't come up against monsters like that many times in their careers, and to see how good they are can only help our kids in the long run. Percival did his standing no harm, as did Walmsley. In fact, I can see both now being targeted by NRL sides. Luckily for us, Turner had a poor game... 
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| I've disputed this robotic tag for years. It was the same at Wigan under Maguire.
When it's done with precision and pace it's fantastic to watch and difficult to defend against.
I was at the Wigan and Souths training session last week and it was good to watch the effort put into getting those "robotic" plays to work. Maguires teams have a great work ethic and it'll only be a matter of time before he gets the NSW and Australia jobs.
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| Quote NickyKiss="NickyKiss"Bateman made 160 metres and 60 tackles in the game
Faz around 150 metres and 40+ tackles
Clubb 128 metres and 28 tackles
Joel Tomkins made only 80 metres in comparison.
We made too many errors but our go forward was fine apart from a couple of the props.'"
Your "go forward" is a function of your handling - not your forward power. It was exactly the same in the Grand Final. You made plenty of yards - but very few through the channel 10m either side of the centre spot.
Guys like Farrell and Bateman are very adept at scything through gaps on the edge of the defence. But when the opposition pattern is sound and it comes down purely to brute force traction (such as clearing your own line in heavy conditions against physical packs) neither is going anywhere.
This is why I don't see Farrell as a genuine GB second row. There are no holes in the Australian edge defence. And he's not big enough to worry them through the middle.
It's precisely the same problem we had when Millward decided he didn't need big props, opting instead to go for mobility.
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| Quote Magic Superbeetle="Magic Superbeetle"Tommy has been given 3 years to develop an edge to his game. Don't get me wrong, Tommy M has grabbed the opportunity with both hands and is one of the top 5 wingers in the country now, and certainly the best finisher, but I think people forget he spent years being drip fed into the team as he developed, I think it would be foolish to not grant the same to Swift. His defence has already improved beyond recognition from this time last year, and I think he'll really benefit from being outside Turner this year.
He's prone to a silly mistake once a game at the moment which he needs to work on cutting out. But I wouldn't want us wasting cap space to replace him just yet.'"
To be honest, I don't think Swift will play three consecutive years on the wing. Either he'll move inside or he'll leave.
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| Quote Aboveusonlypie="Aboveusonlypie"Really good post.
I found it interesting to see Reynolds out on the pitch long before both teams came out, practising his kicking short and long. It's the sort of work ethic embodied by Cooper Cronk as well, and goes to explain why we lag behind in that department.
If you are a full time pro surely practising your game is just as, if not more, important than spending hours in the gym. The kicking of the Super League teams at the week end was woeful in comparison with the NRL teams. Marshall gave a master class against Wire for further example.'"
Playing devil's advocate - why should players spend a greater proportion of time practicing kicking when yards are so easy to come by SL?
A side challenging for the title might only play six or eight games a season in which territory is absolutely crucial. Most of the time they can rely on their opponents to hand them the very same opportunities a good kicking game will produce.
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| Quote Mugwump="Mugwump"Your "go forward" is a function of your handling - not your forward power. It was exactly the same in the Grand Final. You made plenty of yards - but very few through the channel 10m either side of the centre spot.
Guys like Farrell and Bateman are very adept at scything through gaps on the edge of the defence. But when the opposition pattern is sound and it comes down purely to brute force traction (such as clearing your own line in heavy conditions against physical packs) neither is going anywhere.
This is why I don't see Farrell as a genuine GB second row. There are no holes in the Australian edge defence. And he's not big enough to worry them through the centre.
It's precisely the same problem we had when Millward decided he didn't need big props, opting instead to go for mobility.'"
But you said Bateman's quick feet got him nowhere and Farrell got neutralised which those stats would suggest is untrue. They made roughly 300 metres worth of forward ground between them regardless of running in a straight line or hitting holes on the edge to gain ground.
Both had top games and both are two of the best backrowers in superleague. Good enough for international level? I think so but even if not they're just about the best we have so we don't have much choice.
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| Quote Mugwump="Mugwump"Your "go forward" is a function of your handling - not your forward power. It was exactly the same in the Grand Final. You made plenty of yards - but very few through the channel 10m either side of the centre spot.
Guys like Farrell and Bateman are very adept at scything through gaps on the edge of the defence. But when the opposition pattern is sound and it comes down purely to brute force traction (such as clearing your own line in heavy conditions against physical packs) neither is going anywhere.
This is why I don't see Farrell as a genuine GB second row. There are no holes in the Australian edge defence. And he's not big enough to worry them through the middle.
It's precisely the same problem we had when Millward decided he didn't need big props, opting instead to go for mobility.'"
Just to play devils advocate you could say that Souths didn't fall for the scoot from dummy half and just defended the "massive" Saints pack with ease. As such Saints didn't have the passing game to get on the outside.
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| Quote Rogues Gallery="Rogues Gallery"Just to play devils advocate you could say that Souths didn't fall for the scoot from dummy half and just defended the "massive" Saints pack with ease. As such Saints didn't have the passing game to get on the outside.'"
Saints have a big pack, but even they looked small in comparison to the Souths front 6. Amor in particular looked very small.
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| Interesting to see that Barcelona are smashing City atm. Wonder if people think there is a gulf in class between La Liga and the Premier League?
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| Quote Albion="Albion"Interesting to see that Barcelona are smashing City atm. Wonder if people think there is a gulf in class between La Liga and the Premier League?'"
There is between Barca and Real Madrid compared to the English teams. It's as big as the top NRL clubs verses any of ours.
Only difference is the likes of City, United, Arsenal etc have no excuses unlike the superleague clubs.
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| Quote Albion="Albion"Interesting to see that Barcelona are smashing City atm. Wonder if people think there is a gulf in class between La Liga and the Premier League?'"
2-1 Id hardly 39-0.
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