Agree, I've been wondering about this for a while now as we just seem so lazy in defence. Looking back at the early games, Warrington (a) and Salford (a) and the aggression in defence was there to see. Sadly, it seems to have lasted about 7 weeks.

Lets face it, we've been shocking since we were battered by Wigan and Leeds over Easter.

Think we have a right lazy bunch of players here.

Line speed works if you're set and ready and are controlling the ruck.
How can you be quick to meet the attacking line if you're not set?
I don't necessarily think it was Saints being lazy more the fact your inability to contol the ruck, Higham, Monaghan and Russell scooting and making way too many easy yards, simple passes finding holes and then just recycling the process.

The only laziness that comes into it are the dummies in the first half, just weak half ar$ed tackling, I can't believe you weren't set for our first try either.

I can. We have been seeing that standard of defence on and off all season. We have a number of half ar$ed tacklers in our team, especially forwards who are generally half ar$ed in attack too. Yet Brown never drops them. The only players he has dropped has been our two wingers.

The defence has been poor all year. In fact it's been terrible for good few seasons now.

The old successful saints team wasn't great in defence but when those big important games came around we defended for our lives and all worked for each other.

I'm not sure getting to the grand final is the right time this year. I fear for a record score on us if we got there with this lots defence.

Some of the defence for the Warrington scores was totally embarrassing and school boy stuff.

I,ve just been reading the book "As Good As IT Gets" to where Anderson has just come to the club and within days of being here put in a defensive structure.
The response and results to attitude and work ethic was immediate, if you remember one particular season we had a couple of games where the opposition where making ZERO METRES on some of there sets.
We still have enough ex and current players in Scully, Cunningham, Wilkin, Gardener, Roby and Wellens who know how this defence plan was implemented, surely these experienced would be better creating a "workshop" with Brown + co to adopt some defence system, if Anderson can do it in days, then why can't we do it in similar timescales.

It really is that simple to win the collision, wrestle, turn them on there backs to control the ruck area.............do we have the players who want to do it is the question.

We haven't had a consistently decent line speed since Mick Potter left (like him or loathe him).