Yep. He is now named in the squad I've just read an article on line. I always knew they would be more or less full strength, they have no more missing than us. If he thinks we believed all his injury woes hype he must be thick. COYS I would rather face a strong Wigan team as a win would mean more.

More or less full strength? We have Thornley, Green, McIlorum, Farrell, Clubb, Pettybourne, Goulding, and Hampshire all missing, all who would be in my full strength 17 barring a toss up between Thornley and Goulding. Not to mention Tomkins who is also unavailable through injury who would also make it.

More or less full strength though. Ok.

What a coincidence; all the lads who are missing would make your 17.

No doubt if Sarginson, Dudson, Powell, Hughes were all injured then they'd make your 17 too.

It's not the worst Wigan team but I wold hardly call it a strong one. We have Jordan James and a 19 year old making his debut (squad no.42) on the bench.

I fail to see why you call it 'injury woes hype'. He's told the truth all week. He said Powell, O'Loughlin and Charnley were all doubtful. The only person added who wasn't in the original 19 is Charnley. Why would he want to 'big up' our injury situation? He has never used injuries as an excuse in any game and do you really think he would if we lost a derby? He expects any team he puts out to win.

Anyway, if you win tonight it will be well deserved as you know Wigan always turn up for the derby with Wane in charge. I think you may just edge it tonight.

Of that list only McIlorum, Farrell and Green would get in to your first choice 17, and Farrell isn't injured. We match that with Amor, Lomax and Laffranchi, all of whom would be in our first choice 17, and we don't yet know whether Swift is back fit so we could add him too, and he would be in our first choice 17.

Wane's talking garbage as usual and we all knew he was. But that's ok because if we win then neither Wane nor the Sky crew can make injuries as the excuse for you lot losing.

Out of our likely 17 tonight Sarginson, Williams, Hughes, James, Doran and Dudson are not first choice. They would be replaced with Thornley or Goulding(at least one of these would start they are squad no's 3 & 4), McIlorum, Farrell, Clubb, Green and Pettybourne.

It's not the worst side we've ever fielded but it's not a strong Wigan team.

Quite common to hear coaches speak of out-enthusing the opposition. Out-excusing the opposition seems to be the order of the day on here

Funny that when compared to some of the comments on the Gelling thread on your board, such as:

"I really like Gelling, I'm made up he's getting his chance. It does leave me wondering where this leaves Goulding though with Gelling and Sarginson seemingly nailing the centre spots."

You've barely got any more injuries than Saints.

Would the 2005 team below of 75-0 beat this current team above?
Wigan: Gleeson, Dallas, Aspinwall, Wild, Carney, Brown, Moran, Seu Seu, Newton, Sculthorpe, Allen, Tickle, Beswick.
Replacements: Hansen, Godwin, Guisset, Hargreaves.

It is not fair bringing that up, don't you know we are in denial about that score.

You won't find many Wigan fans saying Sarginson has nailed down a centre spot. His defence is suspect and most think he's better as a full back or winger. He's a back-up utility player who can cover a few positions and doesn't make the strongest 17. Thornley scored 9 tries in 8 matches before he got injured no way he would have been dropped the form he was in.

If it comforts you to believe you're facing a strong Wigan side tonight then that's fair enough.