No I don't think I am sticking my head in the sand. All SL teams have off days even the top teams Wigan Warrington and Leeds . They all go through it , so we have had our day hopefully a day the players, coach and back room staff won't forget. Yes it's down to the players to deliver on the park which they did not today but that doesn't mean they have no motivation or desire . I believe it's there but today they were out played by the better team.

The odd thing for me was that in the first half our game plan seemed to be to play around the Catalans pack, taking the ball wide of the ruck at every opportunity, usually despite not having gained a single yard of ground. It was as if we'd accepted defeat in the forward battle before kick off. For the record, trying to avoid a contest with a stronger pack [inever[/i works. You only beat a strong pack by meeting fire with fire.

I think Mose has taken a bit of unfair criticism this season, but he was utter excrement today.

I'm afraid I can't take the coach out of this because to me he's a fundamental part of the problem. He doesn't care so the players don't care. He doesn't prepare them appropriately - look back to his Good Friday pre match (GF was the turning point in our performances, note) - and he messes the team around all the time. Assuming he has game plans, most of them look useless.

As for the players themselves, not enough of them care for it to make a difference. Most notably, not enough of our forwards care. I agree that Thompson does appear to care and as such he stood out and has stood out previously.

Any ground we did make was usually made by our outside backs for f***s sake because Brown consistently asks them to take the ball up first when our forwards should be storming on to a pass and gaining as much ground as possible. Dumb tactics which invite injuries to our backs.

Seemed to me that we know are pack is crap so we just decided to move it wide but we kept dropping it. Let's be honest, when you have Mose and Lms as props and wello and flash in Backrow it's not exactly good.

I think you've just seen the Mose I've seen all year. 11 hit ups in his last two games must be some sort of record. He only did 5 today all game!

That's if your prop can get back to take the drives.

Didnt know that. We could be if we lose tomorrow - but if we win then we will be aiming for Saints in the Play Offs.

Hope so, just hope it's home, I can't be doing with that car park at your place.

You've forgotten then that we've beaten you twice already, once by 38 points to nil. I wouldn't get all smug just because Saints didn't turn up today.

You're bound to make mistakes if you put on shifts without going forward first. If we're struggling to clear our lines we should get to the end of our set, kick deep and do some aggressive defending. Going wide early in the set in our own 20 was only going to end in disaster.

Regarding Mose, I think he's been okay most weeks (no better than that) but he was lame today, no mistake.

I don't disagree with the rest of your post but the fact some are not local doesn't really make any difference in my opinion. There's been many fantastic players over the years who have worn that Saints jersey who have given 100% and they weren't local. It's about personal pride and commitment. It's up to the coach to remind them of that & to motivate them.