Yes... in [iyour[/i opinion...



Here we go with that barmy, pathetic, loony argument =#FF0000yet again that because we don't have players of the class of Long, Scully, Newlove, Lyon, KC, Iro, Goulding anymore then we've declined and can't/won't compete... Those players [idon't ****ing well exist[/i in the British game anymore....



In real comparative terms our squad in pure personnel terms is not all that far off being as strong as anybody else's in the league, and not far off being as good as it's been at most other points during the last 15 years. None of the other teams in the league have Longys, Gouldings or Newloves either by the way in case you hadn't noticed...

...and on what single occasion have I ever said that Brown is doing a great job and is the answer? Our personnel is not far off being where it needs to be, but enormous question marks still need to be answered over our coaching. We've not had a really good coach in 5 years now and that's been where our problems have been, not in this perceived "ambition" and "poor recruitment" BS (coaches aside). I'm as concerned as anyone else is over how half-baked we're looking at the moment (although it's still early days in his tenure as yet) - tell me when on any occasion I've said otherwise....

If you bothered to read my post you would see that I was referring to Brown changing the style of play from the crap we have had to put up with for 5 years, back to the SAINTS WAY.


Please keep up!!!!!

You've got a screw loose mate. You just totally lose the plot. No wonder your a laughing stock on other teams forums with crazy comments like we've got the best pack in super league









Anyone with half of brain knows we can never replicate the teams of the likes of longy, Lyon, scully, KC etc but we should have replaced them at the time we the best quality we could at the time.

Who replaced the following players ?

Longy -

Scully -

Graham -

Gidley -

Talau -

The are others but can't be bothered listing

We can all debate about not replacing past legends, poor judgement of recruitment etc. But it goes much deeper than that we are a lazy, indiscipline team out of condition with a terrible attitude.

It makes you wonder what coaching staff Brown has got around him, KC may be a legend but I can,t see what benefit he has on the team, similarly our conditioner what effect does he have on players performance as most of the time we are very lethargic and unfit.

Since we left Knowsley Road we seemed to have left the fighting spirit behind. Our basic errors and non completions must be the highest to date in superleague.

If all of the above was addressed I,m sure we would have won 2 or 3 more games more this season, even with the player personnel we have at the moment.

Can anybody remember if we have played one game this season for the full 80 mins with commitment, desire etc. I can,t.

Warrington and Leeds away

First 20 minutes away at Leeds we were abysmal...

I thought we were abysmal for 10 to 15 minutes in the Warrington game as well.

Probably. They certainly were in the last round (according to the Stats Pack show on Sky anyway).


I don't think anyone at the club cares about this season. Just look at the chairman's statement. It's about next season. I don't think anyone ever intended to do much this season.


I can't either. It's been one level of dross or another all season.

Answers in red, my clueless one-dimensionally agenda'ed kneejerk friend.

Your an angry man.

Longy was replaced by Eastmond who like you say was an amazing prospect - shame we didnt sort out his contract [ibefore[/i getting rid of every other decent halfback at the club. Some amazing strategy at work there.

Scully was a beast but I suspect we thought we'd replaced him with Wilkin - sadly thats a massive downgrade. Nearest thing to Scully is probably Westerman

Graham - well we replaced him with a second row - not exactly a great plan. The fact he's played for Aus in the back row hardly qualify's him to replace one of the worlds best props

Gidley - I suspect most people would agree we did ok here , Shenton didnt hit the heights but on the face f it was a sound signing.

Talau - for me this was the start of the rot - Gilmour was a second row who could provide cover in other positions, using him as a replacement and claiming there was nothing else out there is just plain cost cutting stupidity.