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We can't give up on London. To give up on London would be to basically give up on meaningful expansion, to the most important city in the country! If we give up on London then IMO we give up any hope of ever being a major sport in this country. Maybe a lot of fans would be happy to keep 'our' sport in our little section of the country where we keep ourselves to ourselves and maybe that's what us as fans deserve anyway, but it's not what the sport deserves. Unfortunately, it's what we're going to get with the attitudes of the majority.

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Quote: Offside Monkey "All very fair points.

but.....

Whilst the current London Broncos aren't exactly breaking our southern glass ceiling, it doesn't mean they're doing nothing and certainly doesn't mean that they couldn't do a much better job.

Now, down under, Melbourne are partly owned by the ARL. Wouldn't it be an idea to find a backer, or negotiate with the current owners in order to create a situation where the RFL are taking some of the responsibility for the running of the club?
We're constantly reminded that London are there to benefit the game, so shouldn't the game try and benefit London?'"

Spot on.

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The reality is though the club needs a bloody good shake up. I hope the club does not fold but somehow can reinvent itself away from the stoop. However I remember Kent Invicta folding, that would cause me concern with Gillingham and I don't see many alternatives springing to mind. Perhaps the Skolars ground could be purchased and improved with the clubs coming together as Skolars but in super league.

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Quote: Loz "The reality is though the club needs a bloody good shake up. I hope the club does not fold but somehow can reinvent itself away from the stoop. However I remember Kent Invicta folding, that would cause me concern with Gillingham and I don't see many alternatives springing to mind. Perhaps the Skolars ground could be purchased and improved with the clubs coming together as Skolars but in super league.'"

I just feel that, like so often in SL, people sit back and expect the game to sell itself, whether it be to new speccies or to sponsors. I'm afraid it doesn't work like that.

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Quote: Offside Monkey "All very fair points.

but.....

Whilst the current London Broncos aren't exactly breaking our southern glass ceiling, it doesn't mean they're doing nothing and certainly doesn't mean that they couldn't do a much better job.

Now, down under, Melbourne are partly owned by the ARL. Wouldn't it be an idea to find a backer, or negotiate with the current owners in order to create a situation where the RFL are taking some of the responsibility for the running of the club?
We're constantly reminded that London are there to benefit the game, so shouldn't the game try and benefit London?'"



The last sentence is key there. To what extent you believe that statement would be how you judge whether the RFL take responsibility for running the club.

We all know that RL clubs are in the main blackhole into which money is poured and virtually nothing can escape.

The RFL taking a share in a club creates a conflict of interests. As the RFL decide who should be in which competition. You can see the law suits coming if there was an occasion to remove a club from a league and if that club was in competition with London well the lawyers would have a field day.

There is also the extent of the blackhole, should the RFL pump in? Should the cap be removed from London? Should London have unlimited funds? Should the RFL fund London to the point where they are a top 8 side again, a league winning side, till crowds top 10,000.

It's not a simple thing to say the RFL should control London, after all it is a competition, not a co-operative. Hughes has pumped in vast amounts season after season. I am not a person who would say London should not be in SL, as because as far as I am aware they have never been up for relegation. However I am dubious about the value placed on a London side to SL.

Gillingham maybe the answer for them and if it is great. But a club is not just about making a side, it's about history, about were you are from, or where your parents are from. It's what entertains to a point, but how many Saints fans go, despite the entertainment.

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Quote: bewareshadows "Gillingham maybe the answer for them and if it is great. But a club is not just about making a side, it's about history, about were you are from, or where your parents are from. It's what entertains to a point, but how many Saints fans go, despite the entertainment.'"


Gillingham is in Kent! that is not the answer and what the loyal base want, they want to be in London. First time around The Stoop really worked, every box was sold to major large corporate companies but that never happened second time around and few fans from Quins RU ever took to be loyal fans, residents complained about us playing at certain times and the use of the floodlights, that was not the way to build up a fan base.

Yes a club is all about History I totally agree, it is being part of a community, sadly since Fulham we have been nomads! you can't build a loyal supporter base that way, it took some fans nearly as longer to get to Gillingham Saturday as fans from Warrington, that is not the way to build a future. People say we do not spend enough on marketing but all the marketing under the sun with a constant losing side will not bring in new supporters. One problem with David Hughes and I have such respect for him is he is far too loyal to staff, currently the two top staff at the club are simply not producing the goods they are paid to do successfully, it's not that the money has not been spent!

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