From an outsider looking in, i can't help but think that St Helens supporters are slightly falling victim to the fact that they have been extremely spoilt over the last 10-15 years. Probably the best team of the Super League era for consistency of performance and winning trophies/reaching finals. Having some of the best players to ever play the game in Long, Cunningham, Jamie Lyon etc. It's almost impossible to live up to those standards and it may just be the case that, put simply, it's time for other clubs to have some success. Maybe some criticism could be levelled at the people in charge of recruitment etc. but as with anything in life, nothing lasts forever.

Disagree if you think i'm wrong, it's just an opinion at the end of the day....

It is possible to post replies to others comments, without name calling.

The hint of the use of the word Plebs was enough to get a chief whip kicked out of office.

Lets keep it civil, there is no need for the use of name calling, it's always the last resort of a a desperate debater.

To be fair Pleb is a contraction of Plebites who were the common citizens of Rome. At worst he's called them Common Romans.

Whilst it is a roman word, it has for years been used as an insult, just the same as a scally, scroat etc.

It was a word used by the privileged classes about the people from the lower social classes. So hardly a compliment.

The point still stands there is no harm in being civil when making your point. It's just common courtesy.

In the end when a thread breaks down into trading insults, the point is lost. And it become a keyboard warrior attempt to try and get as far as they can before the filter, mods or others have to get involved.

I'd rather just remind people that you can debate without insults, regardless of the level permitted.

And so another thread is ended.

I hate it when I end up having to do this.