St Helens did not play poorly in the first half. Wigan just played their best rugby in that half. At 18-0 up, a potential massacre was on the agenda. Wigan stopped playing and their standard dropped inviting Saints back into the game.

The St Helens team representing a great club today are a pale shadow of those of past years. A huge rebuilding task in front of Brown. Some halfbacks, removing the deadwod would be a start.

No Saints fan can be happy with the 2013 version of Saints.

or

Have standards and aspirations sunk so low?

Loyalty is keeping him in the side. I'm unsure why Brown still thinks he is one of the first on the team sheet as I think Lomax is first choice FB, Hohaia first choice 6 and Flanagan is first choice 13. That leaves him pretty much stuck as he wouldn't get in over the players listed or the players who could rotate with them (even FB, I think Brown recognised that we need pace from that position, so I think Makinson is the next best option after Lomax). He obviously adds much needed experience to a youthful Saints team, but he looked lost at 6 and couldn't handle the tackling.

In reality, he's gone one year too many. Last season Rush played him whenever possible and that may have persuaded him to go another season. I cannot see him playing for Saints next season and he'll probably get on the coaching staff alongside KC.

St Helens need to rebuild around Lomax at FB. Great player in his time Wellens but all good things come to an end.

Have to say my opinion is that without our two star players, J-Lo and Robes, that we didn't do too bad, the props apart from Walmesley were poor, but them apart not too bad

After nine games we have had a look at most of the squad so has Nathan Brown, we are going in the right direction. If and it is a big IF we can get all the squad fit for Sept / Oct we could shock one or two. This would be my best 17 based on a third of the season;

Lomax
Makinson
Percival
Turner
Meli
Lance
Wilkin
Puletua
Roby
Walmsley
Boof
Manu
Flanagan

Subs
LMS
Clough
Soliola
Howarth

No Wellens, no Perry!

The back 5 is fairly pacy and dangerous especially with Jonny looping round the back ala Tomkins. Obviously the weak link is at 6 and 7 but that is the best of what is left and they are two experienced pros who can steer the team around the field. Lance is growing on me a bit, he doesn't do much but he does seem to have a good calming inluence on the team and is dangerous close to the line.

The forwards are big and powerful with an off load on them and with Howarth on the bench we have the option of moving Roby to loose forward without losing Lance from the halves.

Prescott and Lauaki offer nothing. Crosby especially is much better already.