Saints' fans more than most methinks. Expectations should always be high at any club wanting to be competitive, if not moreso at clubs like Saints. However that expectation needs to be realistic, unfortunately after the sustained period of success we have achieved throughout the Superleague era many of us have grown over-complacent believing it our automatic right to reach every final, and "play like we did under Millward" in every game, season in season out.

Carmont left Gardner for dead, despite only having maybe 2 or 3 steps start on him. He just looked totally disinterested in chasing that break down.

I don't think we'd lose anything by putting Wellens in at centre in place of Shenton.

Lance
Makinson
Wellens
Jones
Meli
Lomax
Gaskell

Shenton and Wheeler to the reserves to wait for their chance after stinking the Etihad out big time.

I'm not sure what Wellens in the centre can offer - other than making an already painfully slow back line even slower. It would be embarrassing watching him attempt to keep up with Makinson on a break out of the fullback position.

On the other hand, he would be the ideal bench man, capable of deputising in all but one position - prop. He'd certainly give us far more options than someone such as Wheeler.

Dropping Wello is much needed, not only because he's now failing, but to give his eventual replacement the chance to get some game time when the pressure is off. This season is a write off, with interim coaches and us in mid table, it's the perfect opportunity to look longer term now. Makinson or Lomax or whoever to fullback has to be a priority.

I don't think wello can play centre, he's far to slow.

To be honest, I'd be tempted to start Foster at centre before Wellens. He's lacking in size - but he does have the centre's instinct - good hands, knows how to put a winger away etc. At this moment Wheeler's struggling to put away his tea.

But can catch the ball, tackle and pass - all of which our current centres couldn't do on Sunday.

And what happens when he's up against speed? Wellens' tackling has never been a major issue. The problem is [igetting to the player[/i to make the tackle.

You'd probably find he'd be all over the place in defence and his lack of pace could be a real problem

I've been saying all season, you need to drop Wheeler as he has been a massive let down for you, especially given all the bigging up he has had on these boards for the last year or two.

You need to move Wellens into the centres where he doesn't need as much speed. There's nothing wrong with Wellens' ABILITY to tackle - he's just very slow these days, and he will no doubt tighten your defence up on that side.

Hohaia needs to stop pretending he's a stand off, and should be at full back where he belongs.

You need Lee Gaskell back to partner Lomax. Lomax is only every any good when he has Gaskell at the side of him.