Saints' fans more than most methinks. Expectations should always be high at any club wanting to be competitive, if not moreso at clubs like Saints. However that expectation needs to be realistic, unfortunately after the sustained period of success we have achieved throughout the Superleague era many of us have grown over-complacent believing it our automatic right to reach every final, and "play like we did under Millward" in every game, season in season out.

Yes, well, like I said in my amended post, Simmons took us to a CC semi last year too and to a Grand Final. You can hardly hold it against him that he didn't do that this year given that he was sacked!

You thought Wheeler looked bad in defence? Did you see how bad Turner was in defence; several times worse!

Didn't see that game.

I was watching the hudds game at magic sunday and hudds right centre was ripped to shreds!

Any idea who he was?

One of the big problems I have with Wheeler is the way he seems to give up chasing defenders once they are past him. On a couple of occasions he could have got back to at least hamper Wigan breaks had he simply kept his foot on the pedal.

I noticed him shooting out of the line a number of times.