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Quote: Webbo "Blinkers? I was being pragmatic. If you think Richards IS "electric"; Charnley IS "world class"; Carmont ISN'T past his best; and Goulding IS better than the majority of SL centres, then by all means you be at peace with your beliefs.

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Yes 'blinkers'. Because, like all your posts, you have a one dimensional view of things. Is Richards 'electric'? No. But why focus on that? He may not be 'electric' but he is the best taker of a high ball in SL, a veritable points machine with the boot, one of the best finishers in the game, rock solid in defence and never has a bad game. These attributes have brought him individual honours such as 'Man of steel' and the Albert Goldthorpe medal and have seen him become the third highest points scorer in Wigan's history. Compare that with most other wingers in SL (including your own!)

Is Charnley 'World Class'? No, not yet. But he is certainly International class as shown by his recent call up to the England side. He is also one of the best prospects in the English game, current leading try scorer (playing outside your ordinary centre, Goulding) and is more than capable of scoring length of the field tries. Something he seems to do with alarming regularity considering he isn't all that, don't you think? He also outplayed the only British winger than can be considered to be above him, Ryan Hall, when the 2 teams met recently. In fact he made him look distinctly ordinary that day. Not bad for someone in his 2nd full year at first team level. Now let's compare that to your similarly experienced winger, Jamie Foster. Maybe not...

Is Carmont 'past his best'? Actually no, so I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. Carmont, over the last couple of seasons, has been playing the best rugby of his career. In fact I would go so far as to say he has been one of the best, and certainly most consistent, centres in superleague; a point borne out by his inclusion in the Dream Team. He hasn't even lost any pace. Bizarrely he seems to have become quicker over recent seasons! This could be down to him having played with injuries over the early part of his Wigan career. I think the only grain of truth I can extract from your statement would be that he needs to be used more sparingly in terms of game time than he might have once been. However, on the field he is every bit as good, and probably even better, than he has ever been.

As for Goulding....well you're so far off the mark with this one, it's hard to know where to start! I can only assume that you haven't seen much of him this season (and perhaps watched the Good Friday game with your eyes closed!). Quite simply, he's been the best centre on the field in practically every game he's played this year and was again on Friday. It's no surprise that his winger is the leading scorer in SL and that he is currently 5th on the list for clean breaks. His defence has been outstanding. He is MOST CERTAINLY better than the majority of SL centres on current form. Kallum Watkins and Ryan Atkins are probably bettering him at the moment but I can think of few others. In fact, here's a challenge for you; for your comment to be true there would need to be 15 better centres than him currently plying their trade in SL, so name them!

The fact is, there are few 'world class' players in England and even fewer three quarters. However, the Wigan 4 are as good as any in Superleague and much, much better than most. That's the simple truth. Anything else you care to spout is just so much hot air.

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Quote: SaintsFan "We did it no problem last season, once we had turned things around at Leeds.

It is indeed professionalism. And I don't think some of our senior players have been the best examples of professionals this season so far (and I include the Wigan game in that).'"

Whilst we finished the season strongly (except the last game), it wasn't all rosey after that night at Leeds. The game against Wigan at the Stobart would be the example when they gave us a right shalaking in a similar fashion to last week.

You've called the senior players and I've interperated that as being a physical sense - working hard, putting your body on the line etc, but the thing I think we're lacking is the mental side of proffesionalism. We don't seem to have that guy who can command the team to do the right thing at the right time and get the whole team moving as one. We also seen times where we've hit the panic button and given sackfuls of penalties away. Perhaps Lance can do it, he's only just started his run at 6 - maybe when he's settled? I think Lomax will get it from #7 with some more experience.

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Quote: Offside Monkey "I'd say Brown is rubbing his hands at the chance to take on this squad.'"


Although it would be more than a little odd to join a club that finishes lower than the one you left. Even more odd if Huddersfield somehow manage to win the GF.

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Quote: Mugwump "Although it would be more than a little odd to join a club that finishes lower than the one you left. Even more odd if Huddersfield somehow manage to win the GF.'"

Admittedly, but I do believe that any coach can only stay at the same club so long before things get stale.
Brown has done a very good job for Hudds and will leave with much more tick than crosses. His reputation as a coach has improved imo, as I recall he stuttered in his first job at St G. He'll get a good pay packet from Saints for his contract and the chance to start in a better position than Hudds had him in when he joined.

The potential at Saints is there, he'll see that. Also, given the fairly miseraale last 18 months, any improvement will be greeting with glee from the supporters.

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Quote: SaintsFan "This would be Hull who are presently second in the league and Bradford who just beat Leeds? And remember, we haven't won at Bradford since 2007.'"


Hull are now 4th and by the time you reply they will probably be 5th icon_wink.gif They are a poor team that have had a lot of easy games, the highlights have been beating us when we were clueless and a draw vs Wire when they had only just got off the plane from Aus'. They will plummit just like Castleford did last year.

Bradford are even worse, Leeds are really in a bad way at the moment. A combination of dreadful weather and the treat of losing their jobs has spurred them on. They are also not likely to make the playoffs

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Quote: Noel Cleal "Hull are now 4th and by the time you reply they will probably be 5th 4.40771484375:5
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