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Quote: Mugwump "
For all Gardner, Shenton, Meli etc. huff and puff they are no match for players who can genuinely play rugby.'"


I don't particularly rate any of those three - but were there opposite numbers any better?

Richards was only half-fit (and isn't exactly an electric winger fully fit)
Charnely's a decent player and (through a dearth of quality British three-quarters) isn't far from the England team. But he aint world class.
Goulding's just a bog-standard SL centre
Carmont has had flashes of class, but is past it

What makes them effective is the gameplay deployed by wi*an. Their dummy runners, pace of attack, angles and chiming into the line are better than ours (which have admittedly improved since Royce went, but still lack variety and guile)

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Quote: SaintsFan "We did it no problem last season, once we had turned things around at Leeds.

It is indeed professionalism. And I don't think some of our senior players have been the best examples of professionals this season so far (and I include the Wigan game in that).'"

Whilst we finished the season strongly (except the last game), it wasn't all rosey after that night at Leeds. The game against Wigan at the Stobart would be the example when they gave us a right shalaking in a similar fashion to last week.

You've called the senior players and I've interperated that as being a physical sense - working hard, putting your body on the line etc, but the thing I think we're lacking is the mental side of proffesionalism. We don't seem to have that guy who can command the team to do the right thing at the right time and get the whole team moving as one. We also seen times where we've hit the panic button and given sackfuls of penalties away. Perhaps Lance can do it, he's only just started his run at 6 - maybe when he's settled? I think Lomax will get it from #7 with some more experience.

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Quote: Offside Monkey "I'd say Brown is rubbing his hands at the chance to take on this squad.'"


Although it would be more than a little odd to join a club that finishes lower than the one you left. Even more odd if Huddersfield somehow manage to win the GF.

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Quote: Mugwump "Although it would be more than a little odd to join a club that finishes lower than the one you left. Even more odd if Huddersfield somehow manage to win the GF.'"

Admittedly, but I do believe that any coach can only stay at the same club so long before things get stale.
Brown has done a very good job for Hudds and will leave with much more tick than crosses. His reputation as a coach has improved imo, as I recall he stuttered in his first job at St G. He'll get a good pay packet from Saints for his contract and the chance to start in a better position than Hudds had him in when he joined.

The potential at Saints is there, he'll see that. Also, given the fairly miseraale last 18 months, any improvement will be greeting with glee from the supporters.

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Quote: SaintsFan "This would be Hull who are presently second in the league and Bradford who just beat Leeds? And remember, we haven't won at Bradford since 2007.'"


Hull are now 4th and by the time you reply they will probably be 5th icon_wink.gif They are a poor team that have had a lot of easy games, the highlights have been beating us when we were clueless and a draw vs Wire when they had only just got off the plane from Aus'. They will plummit just like Castleford did last year.

Bradford are even worse, Leeds are really in a bad way at the moment. A combination of dreadful weather and the treat of losing their jobs has spurred them on. They are also not likely to make the playoffs

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